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Do you think it's a big deal if a single person comes out?

Yes 19 12.75%
 
No 109 73.15%
 
In my community it would be. 9 6.04%
 
Maybe. 7 4.70%
 
Other (in comments) 5 3.36%
 
Total:149
Euphoria14 said:
naruball said:
Euphoria14 said:
Honestly, I do not understand for the life of me why the gay community feels the need to let the world know they are gay.

You like men and you are a man? Fine. The world doesn't NEED the know.
You like women and you are a woman? Fine. The world doesn't NEED to know.

I think that is my main issue with this whole thing. They are gay. They are proud of it. I think that is fine, and applaud that they are happy with their choice, but I don't want it to constantly be thrown in my face.


This comes from a person who grew up with a bisexual sister who eventually chose a man and a brother who now considers himself a female, with full name change and pills to help aid in his change, so don't give me any sort of shit. I understand this better than most.

I'm sure you understand it better than a lot of people, but I'm surprised you don't see the need for the them to tell other people. I, for one, don't care and never make a big deal of my sexuality to my friends. But I applaud those who do when they are trying to send a message to others who struggle with their sexuality. Things are better than they used to be a few decades, even a few years ago, but still extremely hard on some people. I bet the guy knew some closeted guys in his school and wanted to show them that it's ok to come out. As in, he, too, was afraid but got more support than he expected.

Just my two cents.

I don't understand the need. I also don't like it being thrown in my face as if I am supposed to care.

My brother, born Jason, now Christina feels the need to constantly tell me of the guys he is with, although he tries to tell us they are women. I don't need to know these things. Just do what people normally do. Tell us you are in a happy relationship with someone you care for.

No need for "I really like this person, but he is a transgender (This is what he calls it) and I want people to know who we are and if they don't like it, so what?".

 

Is that TRULY necessary? Why not just be together, love eachother and let that be that? Why constantly throw it in people's faces? Am I somehow supposed to care? Do what you want to do.

 

 

That is the issue with this article. Is the school wrong for removing his coming out from the yearbook? No.

A yearbook isn't for someone to come and let the world know he is gay. He is only choosing to be an attention seeker. 

 

He is gay. Big whoop. Tell him to live his life the way he wants. No need to try and make a yearbook about himself. He isn't any more important than anyone else in that book.

I think you missed the point of that HS's yearbook.  Many students write different stories about things they learned and experiences they went through growing up and going to that school.  Some may write about working at a hospital, learning to ride and show horses, this kid wrote about his coming out expereince.

Why should his story be single out and rejected just because he is gay?  It shouldn't, and as the article stated, the only rejected others because they didn't want to look bad for just rejecting the 'gay kid.' Many other stories are stll included.

It's showing that bigotry is still alive and well in parts of the USA.  I get what you are saying and think people shouldn't have to come out. If they are asked if they are with someone it shouldn't matter if they are dating someone named Kelly if it is a guy or a girl.  But unfortunately, parts of the country and the world aren't that evolved yet.

As someone with your experiences, I'm suprized you see that.



 

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So I don't think its a big deal for someone to come out. But I do think its a big deal to that person to come out. Which should I vote for?



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wangjingwanjia said:

In my personal opinion, no. It's not a big deal for me if someone comes out as gay. Not even if my son or daughter did that, or anyone else in my family or close friends. But sadly it's a big deal almost everywhere in the world. Being bullied and made fun of for being gay is "normal", somehow. It's a strange world where people can't just accept others for who they are.

And China is also very conservative, so gay marriage is not allowed here. And I don't think that a gay couple can adopt either, but I am not sure about that one.

Some scholars are still thinking that China will have Same Sex Marriage before the every state in the USA. As I understand there isn't a tradition of homophobia like there is in some western countries. 

Doesn't some of the old art show same sex relationships?  Like it does for Japan's Samuri.

I don't know if you saw, but at the New Year's Day Parade  - for year of the Wood Horse I saw there was a big group of Chinese (Native and local born) that supported their gay and lesbian kids and same sex marriage.  It was nice to see.   Link here:  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=177529&page=1



 

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Regardless what you think of a person's right to be gay, no one has the right to force them to hide it, that is just absurd. Note that I dont support homosexuality, but they do have the right to choose what ever they want and tell me to shut up.



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Zappykins said:
Euphoria14 said:
naruball said:
Euphoria14 said:
Honestly, I do not understand for the life of me why the gay community feels the need to let the world know they are gay.

You like men and you are a man? Fine. The world doesn't NEED the know.
You like women and you are a woman? Fine. The world doesn't NEED to know.

I think that is my main issue with this whole thing. They are gay. They are proud of it. I think that is fine, and applaud that they are happy with their choice, but I don't want it to constantly be thrown in my face.


This comes from a person who grew up with a bisexual sister who eventually chose a man and a brother who now considers himself a female, with full name change and pills to help aid in his change, so don't give me any sort of shit. I understand this better than most.

I'm sure you understand it better than a lot of people, but I'm surprised you don't see the need for the them to tell other people. I, for one, don't care and never make a big deal of my sexuality to my friends. But I applaud those who do when they are trying to send a message to others who struggle with their sexuality. Things are better than they used to be a few decades, even a few years ago, but still extremely hard on some people. I bet the guy knew some closeted guys in his school and wanted to show them that it's ok to come out. As in, he, too, was afraid but got more support than he expected.

Just my two cents.

I don't understand the need. I also don't like it being thrown in my face as if I am supposed to care.

My brother, born Jason, now Christina feels the need to constantly tell me of the guys he is with, although he tries to tell us they are women. I don't need to know these things. Just do what people normally do. Tell us you are in a happy relationship with someone you care for.

No need for "I really like this person, but he is a transgender (This is what he calls it) and I want people to know who we are and if they don't like it, so what?".

 

Is that TRULY necessary? Why not just be together, love eachother and let that be that? Why constantly throw it in people's faces? Am I somehow supposed to care? Do what you want to do.

 

 

That is the issue with this article. Is the school wrong for removing his coming out from the yearbook? No.

A yearbook isn't for someone to come and let the world know he is gay. He is only choosing to be an attention seeker. 

 

He is gay. Big whoop. Tell him to live his life the way he wants. No need to try and make a yearbook about himself. He isn't any more important than anyone else in that book.

I think you missed the point of that HS's yearbook.  Many students write different stories about things they learned and experiences they went through growing up and going to that school.  Some may write about working at a hospital, learning to ride and show horses, this kid wrote about his coming out expereince.

Why should his story be single out and rejected just because he is gay?  It shouldn't, and as the article stated, the only rejected others because they didn't want to look bad for just rejecting the 'gay kid.' Many other stories are stll included.

It's showing that bigotry is still alive and well in parts of the USA.  I get what you are saying and think people shouldn't have to come out. If they are asked if they are with someone it shouldn't matter if they are dating someone named Kelly if it is a guy or a girl.  But unfortunately, parts of the country and the world aren't that evolved yet.

As someone with your experiences, I'm suprized you see that.

I believe that people of all types should be accepted. It is truly what I believe and what I want.

I just do not want to continue with this world where people who choose to be gay feel the need for the world to know of their story.

 

 

I don't go around telling the world how I love making love to my fiance.

There is no need for me to have to give a damn about how some guy or girl loves making love to their guy or girl friend.

 

Keep that shit personal, as we all do. Nothing makes them special.



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Euphoria14 said:

 

I don't go around telling the world how I love making love to my fiance.

There is no need for me to have to give a damn about how some guy or girl loves making love to their guy or girl friend.

 

Keep that shit personal, as we all do. Nothing makes them special.

The guy didn't wanna talk about how he fucks his bf, but to share his story of coming out. In other words, the issue here is not dicussing one's actual sex life, but their sexual preference.  No one will judge, bully, disown, hurt you for dating a girl. The same won't happen for many gay people around the world (even in America). Being gay is not just about sex; it's mostly about attraction. Big difference. 

Again, if they guy wanted to talk about sex, then you'd have a point. He wants to talk about something completely different. The process of coming out. Whether you think that being gay doesn't matter (and I applaud you for that), it does not mean that the rest of the world sees it your way. So, until people stop judging and discriminating against gay people, these coming out stories are needed. Not so much for the straight people, but for those who struggle with their sexuality and need some emotional support.



naruball said:
Euphoria14 said:

 

I don't go around telling the world how I love making love to my fiance.

There is no need for me to have to give a damn about how some guy or girl loves making love to their guy or girl friend.

 

Keep that shit personal, as we all do. Nothing makes them special.

The guy didn't wanna talk about how he fucks his bf, but to share his story of coming out. In other words, the issue here is not dicussing one's actual sex life, but their sexual preference.  No one will judge, bully, disown, hurt you for dating a girl. The same won't happen for many gay people around the world (even in America). Being gay is not just about sex; it's mostly about attraction. Big difference. 

Again, if they guy wanted to talk about sex, then you'd have a point. He wants to talk about something completely different. The process of coming out. Whether you think that being gay doesn't matter (and I applaud you for that), it does not mean that the rest of the world sees it your way. So, until people stop judging and discriminating against gay people, these coming out stories are needed. Not so much for the straight people, but for those who struggle with their sexuality and need some emotional support.

You must not have read what I said then. I have no issue with him living his life the way he chooses.

 

However, he decides to share a story of his sexual preference. Why are we supposed to care? Please, by all means, answer this. Why should anyone care?

Should I honestly give a shit?

 

You want to tell people you like men and are a man? Good for you. Keep that shit to yourself.

You want to tell people you like women and are a woman? Good for you. Keep that shit to yourself.

 

The world does not need to know. It does not need to be be to this big media deal where eveyone needs to know your sexual prefererence.

People make their own choices. Deal with it and stop acting as if the world owes you some sort of of favor.

 

Just live your life and stop searching for attention, because at this point that is exactly what it seems to be... a seach for attention.

 

Disagree with me, that's fine. That is just how I view it from my personal experience.



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Euphoria14 said:
naruball said:
Euphoria14 said:

 

I don't go around telling the world how I love making love to my fiance.

There is no need for me to have to give a damn about how some guy or girl loves making love to their guy or girl friend.

 

Keep that shit personal, as we all do. Nothing makes them special.

The guy didn't wanna talk about how he fucks his bf, but to share his story of coming out. In other words, the issue here is not dicussing one's actual sex life, but their sexual preference.  No one will judge, bully, disown, hurt you for dating a girl. The same won't happen for many gay people around the world (even in America). Being gay is not just about sex; it's mostly about attraction. Big difference. 

Again, if they guy wanted to talk about sex, then you'd have a point. He wants to talk about something completely different. The process of coming out. Whether you think that being gay doesn't matter (and I applaud you for that), it does not mean that the rest of the world sees it your way. So, until people stop judging and discriminating against gay people, these coming out stories are needed. Not so much for the straight people, but for those who struggle with their sexuality and need some emotional support.

You must not have read what I said then. I have no issue with him living his life the way he chooses.

 

However, he decides to share a story of his sexual preference. Why are we supposed to care? Please, by all means, answer this. Why should anyone care?

Should I honestly give a shit?

 

You want to tell people you like men and are a man? Good for you. Keep that shit to yourself.

You want to tell people you like women and are a woman? Good for you. Keep that shit to yourself.

 

The world does not need to know. It does not need to be be to this big media deal where eveyone needs to know your sexual prefererence.

People make their own choices. Deal with it and stop acting as if the world owes you some sort of of favor.

 

Just live your life and stop searching for attention, because at this point that is exactly what it seems to be... a seach for attention.

 

Disagree with me, that's fine. That is just how I view it from my personal experience.

I don't get how you say that I didn't read your part, when the question you just asked "Should I honestly give a shit?" is clearly answered. This is not about you or even him, but people who need this kind of support. Women who are afraid to be with other women because they feel they might be rejected by society. It might happen, but his story is telling those people that it's not always the case. 

But, as you pointed out we obviously disagree on this matter and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so I'll drop it here. 



Zappykins said:

Some scholars are still thinking that China will have Same Sex Marriage before the every state in the USA. As I understand there isn't a tradition of homophobia like there is in some western countries. 

Doesn't some of the old art show same sex relationships?  Like it does for Japan's Samuri.

I don't know if you saw, but at the New Year's Day Parade  - for year of the Wood Horse I saw there was a big group of Chinese (Native and local born) that supported their gay and lesbian kids and same sex marriage.  It was nice to see.   Link here:  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=177529&page=1

Yeah that is true to a degree actually. I guess in Asian culture it's not as important to put people in a specific cathegory/sterotype/whatever. Like, many people here just eat vegtables and never eat meat, but they wouldn't consider themselves as vegans or vegetarians. They just simply don't eat meat, nothing more to it. And noone really cares if you eat meat or not.

In "the west" there's this whole thing about belonging to something or being something special. And people will love or hate you for it. The whole vegetarian, to eat or not eat meat in the west is out of proportions from my point of view. Some people will hate on you for being a vegan or gay. Why? I can't see the reason for it. Sorry I went so off-topic. :P

But yes I can see that too, I think gay marriage will be allowed here in the future for sure, because no one doesn't really care about it to be honest. It's just in the law and there hasn't been any discussion about changing it yet, that's about it. There are many gay clubs or dating websites and such, freely open, no restrictions. So being gay is okay, but getting married is still not in the law. I have even been to gay clubs when I go out to party, and I am not even interested in boys or men, but if I like the club I can go there and have fun. I don't think that many straight men or women go to gay clubs to party in the west, but I could be wrong.

But also in China for example, you get married because you want to start a family and have children. It's very traditional. So I don't even know if gay people in China wants to get married? It might sound strange but it might not even be in their interest.

And to be honest, the Chinese government would love it if more people went gay, there would be less babies and less problem with the massive population. :P