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What is his end state

Annex Ukraine As a whole 337 40.60%
 
Annex Crimea 286 34.46%
 
Defend Russian People Fro... 184 22.17%
 
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Norris2k on 09 March 2014
Nem said:
Norris2k said:
 

Two wrongs, lot of wrongs make a precedent. And legally speaking, a precedent  is very similar to a law or right.

For good or not, what USA did in Irak is : make war to Irak, search dead or alive all the government, make stay its army for years, fought years of guerilla and financed and influenced the new government. So how does Russia sending a few thousand military guys for just a week, without kills or resistance in an area where lot of people are russians could possibly qualify more than that as an annexion ?


I'm not defending what the US did in Iraq, but they did not annex the country.

What you are saying is that since the US occupied Iraq in suspect of posing a threat or other such pretence, its fair game everywhere. Well, magificent! I think its time Great Britain reclaims all their past provinces. Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, etc. Lets wave those nukes and reclaim what was once theirs!

Your line of thought is about as destructive as it gets.

Again, the US did not annex anything. The US does not own Iraq and for all intents and purposes they deposed a tyrant that was opressing his people (or at least a segment of them).

I'm just talking on a forum, and I'm really noone, can I really be that destructive ? What I do think is destructive is the chaos USA make by creating precedents in Irak or Kosovo. What is destructive is also for USA to lose by selfish actions its legitimacy to oppose to invasions. So please don't blame me if at some point Great Britains claims anything, because, really, it's not me that broke the system.

The tyrant thing is just the last stand now that weapon of mass destruction and terrorist links with Irak happened to be bullshit. And it's a weak argument because USA is very selective about tyrant to depose and it appears every time in line with self interests.



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Mnementh on 10 March 2014
Nem said:
Sharu said:
We have some news that this night the golden fund of Ukraine was put into a plane in Borispol Airport and that plane flew to USA. If that news are true - all this 'revolution' thing just becomes simple robbery in the end. ((( Sad.


Propaganda, so Putin has an excuse to invade the whole of Ukraine? How would anyone know that, and  how would that make any sense?

It might be propganda, or it might be the truth. It even might be the truth and still propaganda.But people already believed a lot of unproven propaganda in this conflict (and sometimes we already know it is not the truth): that the maidan-protests were peaceful (we know it wasn't), that the snipers were send from Yanukovch (nobody knows anything) and much else. Why do you outright claim that this news piece is propaganda, while you accepted the others? Because our western media supported the peaceful maidan-claim but not this gold-news? What will you do, if tomorrow western media will bring this news and further proof unearthed? Is that instantly no longer propaganda then?



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Mnementh on 10 March 2014

Screeshot, because the website was taken down after this became public: http://i.imgur.com/SRSH0Ag.png

So, the question is, what does the west want with Ukraine? Maybe shale gas:



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Sharu on 10 March 2014

Sunset over Crimea (no photoshop!)



Sharu on 10 March 2014
Mnementh said:

Screeshot, because the website was taken down after this became public: http://i.imgur.com/SRSH0Ag.png

So, the question is, what does the west want with Ukraine? Maybe shale gas:

 

Mrs Nuland herself said in December 2013 that USA put 5 bilion USD to Ukraine to 'help its democracy'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861DJLR4Cek
http://www.globalresearch.ca/american-conquest-by-subversion-victoria-nulands-admits-washington-has-spent-5-billion-to-subvert-ukraine/5367782
And that's only official money. Huge amount of USD in cash was given to protesters each day on the Maidan.



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mind on 10 March 2014
Sharu said:
Mnementh said:

Screeshot, because the website was taken down after this became public: http://i.imgur.com/SRSH0Ag.png

So, the question is, what does the west want with Ukraine? Maybe shale gas:

 

Mrs Nuland herself said in December 2013 that USA put 5 bilion USD to Ukraine to 'help its democracy'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861DJLR4Cek
http://www.globalresearch.ca/american-conquest-by-subversion-victoria-nulands-admits-washington-has-spent-5-billion-to-subvert-ukraine/5367782
And that's only official money. Huge amount of USD in cash was given to protesters each day on the Maidan.

More than that, they were giving out cookies to people on Maidan, inviting them to a dark side, what a bastards!

...really.



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OdinHades on 10 March 2014
Sharu said:

Sunset over Crimea (no photoshop!)

That's the most epic thing I have ever seen.

 

I still don't take sides on this one. The west as well as the russians are playing with people, no one knows the whole truth in the end.



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Sharu on 10 March 2014
mind said:
Sharu said:
Mnementh said:

Screeshot, because the website was taken down after this became public: http://i.imgur.com/SRSH0Ag.png

So, the question is, what does the west want with Ukraine? Maybe shale gas:

 

Mrs Nuland herself said in December 2013 that USA put 5 bilion USD to Ukraine to 'help its democracy'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861DJLR4Cek
http://www.globalresearch.ca/american-conquest-by-subversion-victoria-nulands-admits-washington-has-spent-5-billion-to-subvert-ukraine/5367782
And that's only official money. Huge amount of USD in cash was given to protesters each day on the Maidan.

More than that, they were giving out cookies to people on Maidan, inviting them to a dark side, what a bastards!

...really.

Yes, you know, how's it all looks from Russian side:

USA for years (!!) giving huge money to support nazis in Ukraine. They build criminal army and start a rebellion. Then those criminals take over the authorites buildings in the centre of Kiev, disarm a police, take over Ukraine parlament with masked criminals and make legal president of Ukraine flee to Russia, 'cos he afraid of his life and his family. 
Also they invite their 'puppets' to USA (Yatseniuk is in USA today, visiting Obama).


And after all of that USA saying that Putin (!!) interferes into Ukraine's inner affairs. 
This is either worst way of lying ever, or just some shizophrenia.



Mnementh on 10 March 2014

I read on german political forums, that Ukrainian troops are gathered around Cherson/Kherson (Херсо́н). Can someone confirm or disconfirm this? If that is the case, it would be extremely troubling.

It is seen in connection with the USA relocating airplanes to Poland, that is currently happening. Many say, that this week - before the refenderum - an attack will be started from the Ukraine against crimea.

I find this very disturbing, so far the crimea-crisis was without bloodshed.



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Sharu on 10 March 2014
Mnementh said:
I read on german political forums, that Ukrainian troops are gathered around Cherson/Kherson (Херсо́н). Can someone confirm or disconfirm this? If that is the case, it would be extremely troubling.

It is seen in connection with the USA relocating airplanes to Poland, that is currently happening. Many say, that this week - before the refenderum - an attack will be started from the Ukraine against crimea.

I find this very disturbing, so far the crimea-crisis was without bloodshed.

Ukraine started 'military trainings' today, so something is cooking.

Also a lot of information arise about several thousands  of mercenaries (private armies, like Blackwater) have arrived to Kiev lately and preparing for something.