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Viktor said:
Michael-5 said:
Viktor said:

Was it really that great of an idea to give WiiU all this freedom this year in Japan?

Had Sony not focused on USA & Europe, XBO might have sold better in USA. USA is twice the size of Japan, and a much more competetive market, I think it's a priority for Sony to top MS in Microsoft's main territories. Since PS4 is selling better then XBO in USA/UK/Europe, I think Sony made the right move.

If Sony released the PS4 in Japan this fall, it could have done more harm then help. Without any major Japanese oriented exclusives, the PS4 would come out with a bad image.

Plus, no matter how well WiiU does, PS4 has a different audience in Japan, and this is deomonstrated by strong PS3 sales (which aren't much lower then Wii's).

First of-all how does this help building a PS4 userbase in Japan in a significant manner (the question in the opening post)? While some publishers actually try to differentiate the demopgraphics, it´s quite obvious why Sony went from a userbase of 22m PS2 to 9-10m with PS3. Of course some are in denial and love to ignore the competition. But looking at the availbale data we get a less subjective picture of what actually happened.

PS2 22m + GC 4.5m ->26.5m

PS3 9.5m + Wii 12.5m -> 22m

Sony down 12m while Nintendo UP 8m

 

The difference of 4m between the two compared generations can be attributed to the rising popularity of handhelds last gen. Seeing this data it´s quite obvious that Sony actually lost mind and marketshare to Nintendo last generation.

 

It also seems you really haven´t kept up with the thread. If you didn´t know, PS4 launched not only in Europe and US this year but also in far less important markets than Japan. Instead of releasing the PS4 in the already mentioned (read opening post) less important markets. They could have simply shipped those units to Japan instead if they hadn´t had other plans in Japan (PSV2000+PSTV). US and Europe wouldn´t have been affected this way.

Look Japan is going to need many hundred thousand consoles for launch..somewhere in the area of 300-500k. They simply don't have this much available. Looking at the data, it's roughly 1/6th of all consoles shipped so far. You can't seriously say that they have 300-500k in countries like brazil. It's more likely those countries got maybe 30k a piece.

Look, publicity wise, it's more important to beat xbox right now than attempt to challenge nintendo. Do you realize even, that with supply constraints, it is possible that even the WiiU could outsell ps4? And wiiU isn't even tracking up with the gamecube. Surely, that would be a huge mistake. No, no, no. You go into USA, outsell the king, go into Europe, dominate everything, then wait for march, then dominate Japan.

I know you want to think about only Japan, but the fact of the matter is, they cannot afford to fight for Japan right now. They have limited resources, and their biggest competitor right now is xbox, not nintendo. Letting xbox get a bigger install base early is a big mistake, letting wiiU sell some consoles in one country is not. It's also illogical to think that current wiiU sales would have been ps4 sales. People in Japan know when ps4 is coming out, it's not like gamers are going to give up waiting and just buy a wiiU instead.

As far as those numbers are concerned, WiiU isn't even tracking to meet those gamecube numbers, so....

WiiU: 3m + ps4: 16m  -> 19m

Yeah I could see that happening.



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WiiU is selling weak, despite faring better this month. For a console without competition for over a year in that territory and all the most famous franchise being released there to date plus a large number of everyday commercials, Wiiu sales still disappoint me a lot. Though we have to consider it still is a home console, but even when a PS3 manages to surpass the 25k mark, Wiiu would sell over 200k, in a perfect world sense at least. Congrats both 3ds and Vita, they've been performing perfectly like all new gen consoles should.



Viktor said:

Please, read the opening post. I´m not interested in excuses for the delay. Instead I´m asking for what affect the delay will have to the Japanese market. Because obviously the lack of competition this holiday season benefitted WiiU quite a lot and to a margin that even the more optimistic users didn´t expect. While PS4 missed the holiday season in Japan.

Will not affect the PS4. The PS4 would sell the same amount of units in 3 months in Japan no matter the release. PS4 will be pretty big in Japan, alot bigger than PS3 ever was. What does Wii U selling over 100k have to do with potential PS4 sales? The Wii U could sell a 1000 or a million units, but the PS4 would still have sold out of its shipments just as fast as the rest of the world.

Sony doesn't have any anticipated Japanese release games to satisfy the PS4 community, so they are waiting until they are close to ready and will then launch the PS4 in February.



I don't see why not Nintendo has no pull in the console market in japan and Microsoft is a joke over there. They pretty much are going to be the only viable home console in that region so they can release at pretty much anytime.



While ps4 may have missed christmas, they are right on track for golden week, which is the Japanese major holiday season.



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A_C_E said:
Viktor said:

Please, read the opening post. I´m not interested in excuses for the delay. Instead I´m asking for what affect the delay will have to the Japanese market. Because obviously the lack of competition this holiday season benefitted WiiU quite a lot and to a margin that even the more optimistic users didn´t expect. While PS4 missed the holiday season in Japan.

Will not affect the PS4. The PS4 would sell the same amount of units in 3 months in Japan no matter the release. PS4 will be pretty big in Japan, alot bigger than PS3 ever was. What does Wii U selling over 100k have to do with potential PS4 sales? The Wii U could sell a 1000 or a million units, but the PS4 would still have sold out of its shipments just as fast as the rest of the world.

Sony doesn't have any anticipated Japanese release games to satisfy the PS4 community, so they are waiting until they are close to ready and will then launch the PS4 in February.

Based on what came we determine it will sellout like rest of the world? It will have more dead months than vita and less constant support than the vita. Sony first party is irrelevant in Japan. Final fantasy/kingdom hearts aren't even the biggest games in Japan and don't have release dates. Both suffered this gen and lost huge fanbases. Sony brand itself isn't strong anymore in Japan. Most games coming to playstation next year in Japan are on vita/psp/ps3 so we can see that ps4 is getting vita'd in the first year by previous platforms. Lastly, All consoles and handhelds are in a decline and we are suppose to believe that Ps4 is going reverse this trend, knowing all these factors? I'm sorry but I don't understand how ps4 is going to do this as if it's God's gift to Japan.

I see personally all consoles in decline by 25% or more.

(forgot to add 400 price which if Japan will not buy 250 3ds or vita, good luck on 400.



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While I think the PS4 will suffer for it short-term, I think it was a wise move in the long run. Allows for stock in highly competitive regions and the units they would have poached from Wii U isn't significant in the long run.

Edit: I can't beleive anyone would have explain this point, but the reason why Sony can launch in Brazil and South Africa, but not Japan is because Japan requires about 10x the stock launch week.



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It was a good idea to delay the japanese launch as there not enough japanese games on the system as of yet.



ninetailschris said:
A_C_E said:
Viktor said:

Please, read the opening post. I´m not interested in excuses for the delay. Instead I´m asking for what affect the delay will have to the Japanese market. Because obviously the lack of competition this holiday season benefitted WiiU quite a lot and to a margin that even the more optimistic users didn´t expect. While PS4 missed the holiday season in Japan.

Will not affect the PS4. The PS4 would sell the same amount of units in 3 months in Japan no matter the release. PS4 will be pretty big in Japan, alot bigger than PS3 ever was. What does Wii U selling over 100k have to do with potential PS4 sales? The Wii U could sell a 1000 or a million units, but the PS4 would still have sold out of its shipments just as fast as the rest of the world.

Sony doesn't have any anticipated Japanese release games to satisfy the PS4 community, so they are waiting until they are close to ready and will then launch the PS4 in February.

Based on what came we determine it will sellout like rest of the world? It will have more dead months than vita and less constant support than the vita. Sony first party is irrelevant in Japan. Final fantasy/kingdom hearts aren't even the biggest games in Japan and don't have release dates. Both suffered this gen and lost huge fanbases. Sony brand itself isn't strong anymore in Japan. Most games coming to playstation next year in Japan are on vita/psp/ps3 so we can see that ps4 is getting vita'd in the first year by previous platforms. Lastly, All consoles and handhelds are in a decline and we are suppose to believe that Ps4 is going reverse this trend, knowing all these factors? I'm sorry but I don't understand how ps4 is going to do this as if it's God's gift to Japan.

I see personally all consoles in decline by 25% or more.

(forgot to add 400 price which if Japan will not buy 250 3ds or vita, good luck on 400.

I said PS4 will be pretty big in Japan. Where did I say its gods gift to Japan? Quit overreacting and stick to the material that I laid out. Why are you bringing Vita and the rest into this? The Vita is the Vita. The PS4 is the PS4. The PS3 is the PS3. Speaking of which, look at PS3 launch window sales, they're not that good. You honestly expect PS4 to do 25% less than the PS3 did in Japan? Ok bud. All we can do is wait for the launch of the PS4, until then its your word against mine.