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Forums - General Discussion - 46% of Americans believe in Creationism

I guess 46% believes in the toothfairy and santa claus too.

All joking aside, I think A sounds the most reasonable to me. Well, I think it's something along the lines of God created the universe and whatnot by whatever means. In doing so, each individual planet, solar system, galaxy, etc had a different way of evolving. Basically, he made the earth and let it run its course it without his involvement apart from its creation.



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Kasz216 said:
I always thought the first option was creationism.

No no, my good man.

You see what happened is the Vatican recognized the absurd amount of evidence for evolution and adapted to reflect that by saying god guides the process so it still jives with Catholicism.

That option is really dishonest to both sides, but it at least moves in a positive direction.



82-present makes sense as the rise of the religious right to prominence in American politics, so of course there's going to be a little slippage, as the "us or them" mentality includes (in the grand political scheme of things) silly things like evolution rather than issues actually relevant to our present day.

Much like how Democrats are probably becoming more anti-gun over time, because the NRA has politicized gun ownership to the other side



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Here's something nice with pictures:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/03/creationism-in-america-europe/#.UlwlHRB5Ytw

Some other polls from different countries:
http://science.drvinson.net/polls



BasilZero said:
Kasz216 said:

Also, as for evolution. What's with all the talk of college? I was taught that shit in like the 4th grade.  Not very complex stuff.

Also,

That game was awesome but such a ***** to start off lol. I should do another playthrough, its been years since I played it.

@OT - Nice statistics and thought it would be a bit lower but what exactly is the problem with people having their own beliefs?

Someone really needs to kickstart a spiritual successor.  I mean who the fuck wouldn't want to play a game where you can build awesome frankenstein monsteresque evolutions?

 

One just with dinosaurs alone would rule.



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Mr Khan said:
82-present makes sense as the rise of the religious right to prominence in American politics, so of course there's going to be a little slippage, as the "us or them" mentality includes (in the grand political scheme of things) silly things like evolution rather than issues actually relevant to our present day.

Much like how Democrats are probably becoming more anti-gun over time, because the NRA has politicized gun ownership to the other side


Not really.  It's just the anti-gun people are getting more vocal.

You tend to see a jump in support for gun cotnrol right after a mass shooting, then within a couple weeks it's back down to it's normal levels.

Gun control is really a better example of "Play on fear and emotions instead of facts."

 

A good one for Democrats actually would be the widespread crusade against GMO's.   Despite tons of sceintific tests being run on them, showing that they are actually healthier to eat than your average produce because they require far less pesticides since they are bred resistant to bugs.

The whole movement is amazingly antiscientific.  The scary part is how strong it is in the EU too... despite the fact that all the sceince bodies in the EU are against the ban... but hey, France has to protect their agriculture buisness.  Don't want to have grain that can eaisly be grown in Finland and Romania.



BasilZero said:

@OT - Nice statistics and thought it would be a bit lower but what exactly is the problem with people having their own beliefs?

The problem is the beliefs are a product of ignorance, not a product of rational argument or evidence-based conclusions.

Sure if you say it only impacts that individual it isn't an issue. But let's say that individual is a politician, a senator/representative/president, etc then I'm sure you can see how this world view impacts their policies. Then you consider their offspring and people over whom they have much influence and you see a snowball effect. 

It isn't their personal belief that offends me, it's the impact on others such a belief has. It makes it okay for this type of magical thinking that isn't based upon anything to occur. I pity those who refuse to embrace reality and simply choose a school of wishful thinking and willfull ignorance. 



thats quite sad how that many people can be so ignorant



BasilZero said:
dsgrue3 said:
BasilZero said:

@OT - Nice statistics and thought it would be a bit lower but what exactly is the problem with people having their own beliefs?

The problem is the beliefs are a product of ignorance, not a product of rational argument or evidence-based conclusions.

Sure if you say it only impacts that individual it isn't an issue. But let's say that individual is a politician, a senator/representative/president, etc then I'm sure you can see how this world view impacts their policies. Then you consider their offspring and people over whom they have much influence and you see a snowball effect. 

It isn't their personal belief that offends me, it's the impact on others such a belief has. It makes it okay for this type of magical thinking that isn't based upon anything to occur. I pity those who refuse to embrace reality and simply choose a school of wishful thinking and willfull ignorance. 

Dat anger at religious people l0l

So to summarize your response:

"I hate religion and I hate religious folks because they think differently from me"

Whoo boy, kk have a nice day.

Anyways I'll just leave this last bit for you before departing from this thread : Just because they think differently from you doesnt mean they are ignorant or foolish - it is their personal belief and not sure why you would get upset over other people's beliefs.  Also if you think Religion has a bigger sway over a person's political decisions than Racial Issues and Money/Economics - then I'm not sure what else to tell you lol.

I'm actually pointing out the exact same thing in another thread right now and using evidence from a previous thread (911 conspiracy) to prove my point.... dsgrue really is just and intolerant stubborn individual



BasilZero said:
dsgrue3 said:

The problem is the beliefs are a product of ignorance, not a product of rational argument or evidence-based conclusions.

Sure if you say it only impacts that individual it isn't an issue. But let's say that individual is a politician, a senator/representative/president, etc then I'm sure you can see how this world view impacts their policies. Then you consider their offspring and people over whom they have much influence and you see a snowball effect. 

It isn't their personal belief that offends me, it's the impact on others such a belief has. It makes it okay for this type of magical thinking that isn't based upon anything to occur. I pity those who refuse to embrace reality and simply choose a school of wishful thinking and willfull ignorance. 

Dat anger at religious people l0l

So to summarize your response:

"I hate religion and I hate religious folks because they think differently from me"

Whoo boy, kk have a nice day.

Anyways I'll just leave this last bit for you before departing from this thread : Just because they think differently from you doesnt mean they are ignorant or foolish - it is their personal belief and not sure why you would get upset over other people's beliefs.  Also if you think Religion has a bigger sway over a person's political decisions than Racial Issues and Money/Economics - then I'm not sure what else to tell you lol.

It's as if you read my response but ignored almost the entire thing in order to strawman it.

Listen, it isn't about having different beliefs. Different beliefs are fine - you can like fat women, I don't. See, that's a difference of opinion or belief. But that's subjective. Objective reality exists and science has been the best way of confirming what is real and what isn't. There is a reason schizophrenics are locked away in the mental ward and it isn't that they have a different opinion - there is something wrong with them. Science gives us that type of information.

So what you have people claiming their belief is true without evidence, that's problematic. You don't think sasquatches exist because it lacks evidence, right? And you think those people are very odd and silly...it's the same with religion. You don't get a free pass simply because it's popular. 

@Bold

Again you misrepresent my position on that. I said it has impact, not it is the sole or omnipotent reason.