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Background Information:

-In today's day and age the GPU is the bottleneck LONG before the CPU.  Thus the GPU will be at the center of what is compared.

-Both consoles use the same AMD 7000 series architecture so they can be directly compared to their desktop equivalent.

-I have exstensive experience overclocking and using many of the cards from the 7000 series.

-In my expereince, the 7000 series benifits directly from changes in Core/VRAM speed.  This sounds obvious but what I mean is when I overclock my 7970, its in-game performance boost is equal to ((OverclockedCore/OriginalCore)+(OverclockedVRAM/OriginalVRAM))/2.

-Theoretical computational power does not translate directly into gaming performance.  For instance a 7970 is FAR more powerful computationally than the 680, but it is only a little stronger.

-Latency in memory is no where near as important as speed when it comes to grachics cards.

-The most important specs are CoreClock, VRAMClock, bandwidth, and # of compute units.  That is what I will analyze here.

-The HD 7870 is roughly twice as strong in game performance than the HD 7770.

Comparing Xbox One to the HD 7770

The 7770 has:

-10 Compute Units

-1000MHZ Core

-4500 GHz VRAM

-128-bit Bandwidth

 

The Xbox One has;

-12 CU

-800MHz Core

-2133MHz VRAM

-256-Bit

So first off the Xbox One has 20% less core speed while the 7770 has 20% less cores; thus they cancel each other out.  The Xbox One has double the bandwidth so its VRAM should be effectively 4166MHz compared to the 7770's 4500MHz.  The ESRAM and the small tweaks to the One's architecture should make up the rest of VRAM difference.  Thus as you can see they very easily compare to each other and it is more than fair to say the One effectively has a 7770 in it.

 

Comparing the PS4 to the 7870:

The HD 7870 has:

-20 CU

-1000MHz Core

-4800MHz VRAM

-256-bit

 

The PS4 has:

-18 CU

-800MHz Core

-5500MHz VRAM

-256-Bit

So the PS4 seems 10% stronger in the CU department and 20% weaker in the core speed area.  But the VRAM in the 7870 is 15% slower.  So we are left with a 15% difficency that will easily be made up by the PS4 GPU's HSA improvements to round it off to a 7870.

 

Other things to factor into the overall performance difference:

 

So at the end of the day these are the facts.  I laid them out step-by-step.  People who say the PS4 may run at 60FPS while One runs at 30FPS with lower res textures are not fanboys, they just know hardware and can do math.  Please only comment if you know what you are talking about, and thank you for reading this far! ;)



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Who cares? Xbox and GameCube were more powerful than PS2. N64 was more powerful than PS1 (but had limitations due to cartridge format), etc. etc.

It's all about the games.



McDonaldsGuy said:
Who cares? Xbox and GameCube were more powerful than PS2. N64 was more powerful than PS1 (but had limitations due to cartridge format), etc. etc.

It's all about the games.

And?  I never said it wasn't lol.  This is just to show to those people denying it the simple math that is behind what we are saying.  If you want to make a thread comparing games, go ahead!  I won't stop you!



kowenicki said:
So we will see far more 60fps games on the PS4 than on the One?

when?

Drive club and Forza disagree. KIllzone is saying nothing.

Someone here laughed his ass off and told me that it would be pathetic if driving games arent 60fps in the next gen... he was a PS4 fan responding to the Forza confirmation of 60fps you see....

alas drive club has let him down already.

That's what  dev said, and so that is where I got it from.  You do understand they can make it look far worse to keep the 60FPS right?  God I can't wait for the comparison videos in about a year...



Captain_Tom said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
Who cares? Xbox and GameCube were more powerful than PS2. N64 was more powerful than PS1 (but had limitations due to cartridge format), etc. etc.

It's all about the games.

And?  I never said it wasn't lol.  This is just to show to those people denying it the simple math that is behind what we are saying.  If you want to make a thread comparing games, go ahead!  I won't stop you!


Lol true, all I am saying is people should stop debating the graphics. Like NIntendo said, "they don't matter." (well, of course they do, but it should NEVER be a reason to get a console over another).

From what I have seen, when it comes down to the PS4 vs. One debates, it's about the hardware and price, not about the games.



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kowenicki said:
So we will see far more 60fps games on the PS4 than on the One?

when?

Drive club and Forza disagree. KIllzone is saying nothing.

Someone here laughed his ass off and told me that it would be pathetic if driving games arent 60fps in the next gen... he was a PS4 fan responding to the Forza confirmation of 60fps you see....

alas drive club has let him down already.






In theory yes, it does mean multi-plat games could find themselves running at higher/more stable fps rates on the PS4. In regards to Shadow Fall though its a void comment, the developer consciously decided to favor a higher graphical fidelity over an increased fps. Same chose most developers made this gen, as its more marketable (no one will notice the 30fps vs 60fps until actually playing, since youtube runs at 30ish and screen shots are.. well, screen shots P:)

On the matter of the Drive Clue/Forza debate, i think that's more down to the forza developer being more skilled than the drive club one from a technically standpoint.. I image they are much better at pushing the power out of the Xbox One than Drive Clubs out of the PS4. (really though, i agree driving games need 30fps.)

Will be interesting to see how everything actually comes out once we are a few years into the next gen.

Edit: whats up with the font .-.



kowenicki said:
So we will see far more 60fps games on the PS4 than on the One?

when?

Drive club and Forza disagree. KIllzone is saying nothing.

Someone here laughed his ass off and told me that it would be pathetic if driving games arent 60fps in the next gen... he was a PS4 fan responding to the Forza confirmation of 60fps you see....

alas drive club has let him down already.






Driveclub and Forza are both launch title games, so they don't even tap into 10% of the power of next gen consoles.

Wait at least 2 years before legit comparisons.



kowenicki said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
kowenicki said:
So we will see far more 60fps games on the PS4 than on the One?

when?

Drive club and Forza disagree. KIllzone is saying nothing.

Someone here laughed his ass off and told me that it would be pathetic if driving games arent 60fps in the next gen... he was a PS4 fan responding to the Forza confirmation of 60fps you see....

alas drive club has let him down already.






Driveclub and Forza are both launch title games, so they don't even tap into 10% of the power of next gen consoles.

Wait at least 2 years before legit comparisons.


...and yet one is 60fps and one is 30fps.

ah well.

And...? What's your point?

Look at Genji for the PS3 launch, is that representative of what the PS3 could do? Or GUN for the Xbox 360?

Driveclub is a tier 2 type game, while Forza is tier 1 (for consoles, at least). Bad comparisons.

Wait til Gran Turismo 7.



McDonaldsGuy said:
Captain_Tom said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
Who cares? Xbox and GameCube were more powerful than PS2. N64 was more powerful than PS1 (but had limitations due to cartridge format), etc. etc.

It's all about the games.

And?  I never said it wasn't lol.  This is just to show to those people denying it the simple math that is behind what we are saying.  If you want to make a thread comparing games, go ahead!  I won't stop you!


Lol true, all I am saying is people should stop debating the graphics. Like NIntendo said, "they don't matter." (well, of course they do, but it should NEVER be a reason to get a console over another).

From what I have seen, when it comes down to the PS4 vs. One debates, it's about the hardware and price, not about the games.

I am getting the PS4 for Killzone, Infamous, and the Order.  However the graphical advantage is a straight up fact by around a factor of 2.  Once everyone just accepts this we can focus on the games and stop derailing threads with nonsense! ;)



kowenicki said:
Captain_Tom said:
kowenicki said:
So we will see far more 60fps games on the PS4 than on the One?

when?

Drive club and Forza disagree. KIllzone is saying nothing.

Someone here laughed his ass off and told me that it would be pathetic if driving games arent 60fps in the next gen... he was a PS4 fan responding to the Forza confirmation of 60fps you see....

alas drive club has let him down already.

That's what  dev said, and so that is where I got it from.  You do understand they can make it look far worse to keep the 60FPS right?  God I can't wait for the comparison videos in about a year...

Excuses. Why arent killzone and drive club 60 fps? 1st party, plenty of dev time.

Excuses?  No they are all facts.  A dev said that.  The PS4 is that much stronger.  A game can be made to look worse to keep 60 FPS. 

The PS2 did 60 FPS with MGS2.  Does that make it stronger than the 360?