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Rab on 05 May 2013
SxyxS said:
Rab said:

How could a God be created? What is it's beginning?


how could the universe be created?What is it's beginning?

 

it is easier and more plausible to believe that something almighty that exists beyond time,matter and space has created time matter and space than that the universe incl. all laws hat created itself out of nothing without reason,will  or substance to create even one atom.

 

So it's more plausible to have an all mighty amazingly complex being, with super intelligence, understanding, power, that can create whole Worlds suddenly appear out of nothing, but the gradual and very slow increase in complexity from simple elements to slightly more complex ones over billions of years is somehow actually less plausible, pleeeeeeeease!

Remember how wrong your ancestors were about the Earth being flat?

 





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allenmaher on 05 May 2013
pezus said:
Frank_kc said:
If you dont believe in god, then you are delusional, This universe could not have created it self. The way this universe operates precisely, could only be a creation of some one, and its god. If anything goes a bit of its track in this world, the whole world will break down. i.e. sun comes closer a bit or further a bit.

Human was not created by universe nor created by its own. Human is a great example of god's creation.

You're using circular logic.

Humans are the result of countless mutations in DNA, the creation of DNA, the creation of the elements etc. What came first isn't known, but to say that "God" is the only option just "because" isn't real logic and it won't convince anyone.

For the record... DNA came considerably after the creation of elements.  Subatomic particles -> simple elements -> nuclear fusion in stars -> heavy elements -> chemical compounds -> amino acids and other complex carbon chemistry -> RNA -> DNA.



allenmaher on 05 May 2013
Frank_kc said:
Lafiel said:
Frank_kc said:


So if this is the case, and since human has knowledge of the DNA map. Why a human could not create a human? If this is as easy as mutation of DNA, why cant we produce it in science labs?

 

I still believe that its the only option, unless you prove otherwise.

Eh, but humans can create humans, ask your parents :P

Apart from that - just because we don't know yet how to arrange the DNA to create a living organism doesn't mean we won't be able to do so in the future.

 

Thanks for proving my point. You need some one to create a human. Human could not create himself, some one created him, and that would be god.


We can manufatcure DNA strands, and can create simple living organisms.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8695992.stm



Talal on 05 May 2013

As science evolves we find events that were previously attributed to god explained. Maybe one day things will get clearer than they are now.



Nem on 06 May 2013
MS10 said:
well I believe in God from my own life experiences.

and I like science.

but all most everything science tells us is theory.and they never stand the test of time and all most always get replace with a new theory.

the big bang,evolution,just theory's.

and I have a question I don't understand maybe some one can help me out.

I thought animal evolved to survive?why did monkeys evolved into humans but then stay monkeys also?

and how did dinosaurs get wiped out in one mass event but some how also evolved in to birds?

God is real ask him to show you.but take it serious.


Oh geez... i dont know if someone answered you yet but i will anyways.

You got evolution a bit wrong. They dont "evolve" they mutate and with that mutation there might come evolution aswell. First of all, we dont come from monkeys, we come from apes. Though theres plenty of monkeys out there! :D

Evolution isnt a straight line. You can look at it as a tree of development. It creates all types of things. Some of them are positive, some are negative. With time the positive ones allow for a more sucessful survival and reproduction and eventually completely replace the weaker ones.

Look at humans. We just evolved a bit too much to the point where we have reflexive thought, but if we wanted we could easily wipe out most monkeys and apes out of existance (and we would if we thought they were a threat to our survival). We are also ALOT more than they are. Evolution is not something that happens in a decade but over thousands of years.

These questions made me wonder if you were paying atention when they explained Evolution to you in school. ^^



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Nem on 06 May 2013
Jos8f said:

Ignorance really.  You refuse to click a website because it is assosciated with religion, yet it has scientific facts that you live by? oh wait, you don't know that because you refuse to click it. Maybe it proves to you that the information you live by was discovered more than a thousand years ago when there is no technology that exited, by a person, who claimed he is the messenger of GOD.

"And as for those who believe not in the Hereafter there hearts refuse to know, for they are proud."

"And obey not him whose heart we have made heedless of Our Remembrance, who followeth his own lust."

"But he who turneth away from remembrance" of Me, his will be a narrow life, and I shall bring him blind to the assembly on the Day of Resurrection. He will say: 'My Lord! wherefore hast thou gathered me (hither) blind, when I was wont to see?' He will say: 'so (it must be) our revelations come unto thee but thou didst forget them. In like manner thou art forgotten this Day."


Now i get to see what God was talking about in this quran. I thought people back then in that age had it worse, but wow


I'm sure that was not a clever way to force people into coercion.Actually, how do you know the person that wrote this didnt change God's words if they existed?

Also, what "lust"? Are we trying to get your money and women or something? These "read it as you want" lines are always funny cause they can be interpreted in a million ways.

I know you are pressured to believe these things because its so entrenched in your society and you had to live with them since birth. I know its not likely you will ever see it, but this is just a method people of old used to create order and devotion through fear. It served its purpose, but with the advance of science its now severely outdated.



mysticwolf on 06 May 2013
Lafiel said:

before I worship a god that might have existed somewhere to start off the universe I'd rather worship our sun, our earth, nature and our water

It's not faith if you're using your eyes.

That's all I'm gonna say.



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mysticwolf on 06 May 2013

I see that a lot of people are assuming that science and religion can't overlap. The origin theory that I believe in is called Directed Evolution. According to this, God created the earth with a purpose, subtly directed the creation of life, and intervened when necessary.

With this theory, science and religion can coexist.



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Lafiel on 06 May 2013
mysticwolf said:
I see that a lot of people are assuming that science and religion can't overlap. The origin theory that I believe in is called Directed Evolution. According to this, God created the earth with a purpose, subtly directed the creation of life, and intervened when necessary.

With this theory, science and religion can coexist.

this is creationism in a more modern dress - this basically says that our "laws of nature" can be altered by god at any moment rendering them useless as tools to reconstruct how the world was in the past and predict/calculate how it will be in the future; every single of our findings and calculations would need to end with "... if god doesn't/didn't change any of our laws of nature during that time"

so, yea,  this is really the opposite of science