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drkohler said:
Fifaguy360 said:

2 and 3. I KNOW it's hormones. It's my point. There is a chemical trigger that governs this. Imagine the time before this chemical trigger was incorporated in the human. They were giving birth without cervix dialation? Then the body had an "evolutionary" epitomy and decided "I gotta make this hole bigger...let me invent oxytocin cuz I'm smart if(pregnant && 9monthsPassed == 1) releaseOxytocin(CervixDilation); here we go...ok girls I patched up the system. Version 1.1.32 release notes: cervix dialation added."

I was arguing that all this cannot be random. It's a design.

..and all this nonsense proves that you don't have the slightest clue about evolution.  End of discussion.

Fast on your feet I see.



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Jay520 said:

The best view to take is to simply accept we don't know why the universe was created, if it had to be created, if it was created by something or someone, etc. There is absolutely no logic behind assuming heaps of beliefs that give no explanatory power; especially the ones that make the situation more complicated than it would have been otherwise. Such beliefs are even more unbelievable when you figure out that there is good reason that people would fabricate such beliefs, so the idea of them being made-up isn't unlikely at all.

That's not much of a belief, is it? Just saying "I have no idea what to believe, so I won't believe anything at all," is more of just giving up on figuring out the puzzle entirely instead of believing something.



If you do think it was a God that created the Universe, then which one? Was it the Abrahamic monotheistic God, the Ancient Egyptian Polytheistic Gods, or the myriad of other Gods that have existed over the Millennia?

If you come to the conclusion that it was one of these, then you have to go by the full religious laws of that God's religion. For example if you accept it was the Islamic God, then you have to follow and believe in all Islamic laws and dogma. If you don't believe it's any of these, rather an unnamed God who we can't comprehend, then this is also highly unlikely. Why did a God who was intelligent enough to create the Universe, not bother doing something as meagre as informing us petty humans of his existence?

Therefore it's highly unlikely that such a God exists. Even if it did, then it doesn't matter because he didn't bother informing us or threaten us with hell if we didn't believe in him. It's also highly unlikely that it's any of the religious Gods simply due to the vast number of religions that have existed, and also because of the ridiculous laws and myths that exist in religions.

In short we might not ever know but in the end it doesn't matter. And a God being the answer is highly unlikely




How this universe was created is far too complex for our small minds to comprehend. We can say that it was the Big Band Theory or that a Supreme Being created it. However, we really don't know. That's where faith comes in when it comes to believing that a Supreme Being (God), or the Big Bang Theory created the universe. Both points have arguments for and against them and so we as humans may not fully know how things came about, unless, there is an afterlife and God, him/herself, or both, reveals how it happened. If there is no afterlife we will never know for sure.

Hmm, I hope all this made sense. Lol



MTZehvor said:

That's not much of a belief, is it? Just saying "I have no idea what to believe, so I won't believe anything at all," is more of just giving up on figuring out the puzzle entirely instead of believing something.


That's why I was sure to use the term "view" instead of belief.

And no, acknowledging ignorance does not imply that you must giveup  on solving something. I'm not sure where you got that from. Blindly assuming an answer is not a requirement to seaching for an answer. In fact I would argue the opposite. People who accept that they're ignorant on a subject might be more likely to try to eradicate their ignorance as opposed to someone who thinks they have an answer, but that's another story. The main thing is that having a belief is no necessary to search for answers. Where did you get that from?



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S.Peelman said:
NobleTeam360 said:
S.Peelman said:
The only reason there is a religion (any), is because people back when they were invented couldn't come up with a better way to explain our existence. They didn't have science, they couldn't explain anything, they couldn't prove anything.

In today's age, with numerous ways to prove all kinds of things, I don't see how the simple answer of 'something just made everything, for the fun of it', is in any way the most likely way to explain our existence. Let alone having to explain how that 'something' came into existence and gained self-concience itself in the first place. That said, I also don't believe mankind today has all the answers figured out, and we probably never will. For now, option 2 is by far the most likely, with a hint of option 3.

Yet with all that science they still can't disprove God exists or doesn't exist. 

Nice. If you can't prove it exists it's highly likely it doesn't exist. I can't prove Santa and Bigfoot does or doesn't exist, so I guess I'm going to believe they exist then.

EDIT: The1 and Nem already commented perfectly anyway. And Nem's response is better too .


Yeah and I already countered what they stated. 



some thing are not maent to be understand. Just to show you a pattern.


dog only see 2 color chanel Red and Green so it can only see color from this range only.

human can see 3 chanel Red, blu, green that why we see how we see.

but a butterfly can see 5 distinct channel 5 what the hell is the other 2 ??? we wont event be able to understand what they can see.

you can take this somewhere much mor magical.
The Mantis Shrimp can se 16 channel of color 16 !!!! we can only see and understand 3 chanel !


the universe is the same way you can't understand is creation even if you do, like it was god, who created it its a loop hole you c'ant understand it.

the meaning of the universe is there you have to accept it.



Slimebeast said:
It takes a God to make something out of nothing. That's the only reasonable answer to me.


This. Not sure why those who dont believe in religion are trying to convince those of us who do to stop believing... Perhaps they are looking for affirmation to their beliefs? Idk but honestly i wish it would stop. If you dont want to believe in religion thats your perogotive. But I for one know that God exists and there is no way I will ever recant that.



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1337 Gamer said:
Slimebeast said:
It takes a God to make something out of nothing. That's the only reasonable answer to me.


This. Not sure why those who dont believe in religion are trying to convince those of us who do to stop believing... Perhaps they are looking for affirmation to their beliefs? Idk but honestly i wish it would stop. If you dont want to believe in religion thats your perogotive. But I for one know that God exists and there is no way I will ever recant that.

God is not religion. There are religions with multiple Gods and no Gods at all. Irreligion is not the same as atheism. You can be an atheist and be a part of a religion and you can be irreligious and believe in a God.

Also it is not just irreligious people or athiests who are trying to convince you to not believe in something. Other religions and even sects also do this all the time to convert people.

As an atheist it annoys me when people generalise that atheists are out there to destory the beliefs of every religion out there, frankly I don't care what anyone else believes in.



Leadified said:
1337 Gamer said:
Slimebeast said:
It takes a God to make something out of nothing. That's the only reasonable answer to me.


This. Not sure why those who dont believe in religion are trying to convince those of us who do to stop believing... Perhaps they are looking for affirmation to their beliefs? Idk but honestly i wish it would stop. If you dont want to believe in religion thats your perogotive. But I for one know that God exists and there is no way I will ever recant that.

God is not religion. There are religions with multiple Gods and no Gods at all. Irreligion is not the same as atheism. You can be an atheist and be a part of a religion and you can be irreligious and believe in a God.

Also it is not just irreligious people or athiests who are trying to convince you to not believe in something. Other religions and even sects also do this all the time to convert people.

As an atheist it annoys me when people generalise that atheists are out there to destory the beliefs of every religion out there, frankly I don't care what anyone else believes in.

Ok fair enough but there has been no evangelism or converting between religious sects on this website AFAIK. However i will not contest your points made. Personally Im just tired of this whole mantra that religion is dumb and holds people back. And comments like "only retarted or ignorant people could believe in God". Obviously im paraphrasing there but these comments keep being parroted and frankly they are insulting to those of us who do believe in a religion/ God.

I respect everyones beliefs and I only ask people to do the same to me. I dont want to be berated for believing what it is that I believe.



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