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thranx on 22 March 2013
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
kowenicki said:
Mr Khan said:
kowenicki said:
Mr Khan said:
If indeed true, that's one down. Now we'll just need to wait for the shitstorm from consumers, and see what PS4 is doing.


If what is true and what does "one down" mean?

This rumor, and Microsoft being an almost immediate also-ran. Imagine what Gamestop would do if a no-used-games rule were in effect, why, they'd advertise the Wii U (and maybe PS4) all by themselves and marginalize the Durango.

The market for used 360 games is huge. If Microsoft kills that, game over.

So on a rumour you just killed off a console.  You're better than that.

Only if true, as i said. It's possible that Microsoft's implementation of this will occur in a way that won't alienate anyone (or at least not too badly). Microsoft has introduced some unorthodox standards to gaming and made them quite orthodox, and some things that sounded like bad ideas turned out to be really good ideas, but we'll have to see.

By the way... you know this specific rumor in this thread doesn't actually mention the banning of used games or need to be online right?

All it's talking about is essentially is that optional wii connect always online thing more or less.

I really don't see how "mandatory installs" (especially on a console) is going to lead to anything other than "no used games," though anything's possible.


Do the games that have mandatory installs on ps3 have no used games sales? Do the current games installed on the xbox 360 have no used sales? Why would things suddenly change than?



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Mr Khan on 22 March 2013
thranx said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:

By the way... you know this specific rumor in this thread doesn't actually mention the banning of used games or need to be online right?

All it's talking about is essentially is that optional wii connect always online thing more or less.

I really don't see how "mandatory installs" (especially on a console) is going to lead to anything other than "no used games," though anything's possible.


Do the games that have mandatory installs on ps3 have no used games sales? Do the current games installed on the xbox 360 have no used sales? Why would things suddenly change than?

No, but it could change because third parties "demand" it.



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Mistershine on 22 March 2013
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
kowenicki said:
Mr Khan said:
kowenicki said:
Mr Khan said:
If indeed true, that's one down. Now we'll just need to wait for the shitstorm from consumers, and see what PS4 is doing.


If what is true and what does "one down" mean?

This rumor, and Microsoft being an almost immediate also-ran. Imagine what Gamestop would do if a no-used-games rule were in effect, why, they'd advertise the Wii U (and maybe PS4) all by themselves and marginalize the Durango.

The market for used 360 games is huge. If Microsoft kills that, game over.

So on a rumour you just killed off a console.  You're better than that.

Only if true, as i said. It's possible that Microsoft's implementation of this will occur in a way that won't alienate anyone (or at least not too badly). Microsoft has introduced some unorthodox standards to gaming and made them quite orthodox, and some things that sounded like bad ideas turned out to be really good ideas, but we'll have to see.

By the way... you know this specific rumor in this thread doesn't actually mention the banning of used games or need to be online right?

All it's talking about is essentially is that optional wii connect always online thing more or less.

I really don't see how "mandatory installs" (especially on a console) is going to lead to anything other than "no used games," though anything's possible.


If you don't install then load times for levels could easilly be in excess of 3-4 minutes. Even a slow HDD would be nearly 3 times quicker so why would you not want it?



thranx on 22 March 2013
Mr Khan said:
thranx said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
 

By the way... you know this specific rumor in this thread doesn't actually mention the banning of used games or need to be online right?

All it's talking about is essentially is that optional wii connect always online thing more or less.

I really don't see how "mandatory installs" (especially on a console) is going to lead to anything other than "no used games," though anything's possible.


Do the games that have mandatory installs on ps3 have no used games sales? Do the current games installed on the xbox 360 have no used sales? Why would things suddenly change than?

No, but it could change because third parties "demand" it.

did it change for nintendo or sony this gen? wouldn't third parties demand it of them too? I dont see why MS would be singled out for this or why there is reason to assume this when they haven't made any steps in this directon in the past.



Mr Khan on 22 March 2013
thranx said:
Mr Khan said:

No, but it could change because third parties "demand" it.

did it change for nintendo or sony this gen? wouldn't third parties demand it of them too? I dont see why MS would be singled out for this or why there is reason to assume this when they haven't made any steps in this directon in the past.

We don't know yet about Sony, to be fair. They have those patents out there.



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Mistershine on 22 March 2013
Mr Khan said:
thranx said:
Mr Khan said:
 

No, but it could change because third parties "demand" it.

did it change for nintendo or sony this gen? wouldn't third parties demand it of them too? I dont see why MS would be singled out for this or why there is reason to assume this when they haven't made any steps in this directon in the past.

We don't know yet about Sony, to be fair. They have those patents out there.


This is waht I find strange. Sony has the patent for RFID enabled BD-ROMs that get 'tagged' to a console and when asked about used games on PS4 give a very ambiguous answer about having discussions with publishers nobody bats an eyelid, but then comes an unconfirmed rumour about an MS console that doesn't even officially exist having mandatory installs and all of a sudden it's OMFG NO USED GAMES!!!1!!!!



Mistershine on 22 March 2013

Hate to double post, but would people still be pissed about used games if the 720 followed steam pricing? Would you rather pay £50 for a game that you can sell after you played it or £30 for a game you have to keep?



MoHasanie on 22 March 2013
Mistershine said:
Hate to double post, but would people still be pissed about used games if the 720 followed steam pricing? Would you rather pay £50 for a game that you can sell after you played it or £30 for a game you have to keep?

Good point, but I doubt game developers would want to sell games for £30 . 



    

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J_Allard on 22 March 2013

Sony has the disc identifying technology on PS3 but didn't ban used games. They had that special gamer reward promotion thing where if you put a disc in the PS3, it could tell whether it had been used on another console before. So you were rewarded for buying brand new games.

Personally I don't see anyone banning used games. The negative reaction would just be too much to overcome. If you thought $599 RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER was bad, yikes. The only way I could see someone making such a bad business move was if they had something bold in store for the new console. Like EA exclusive or something.



J_Allard on 22 March 2013
Mistershine said:
Hate to double post, but would people still be pissed about used games if the 720 followed steam pricing? Would you rather pay £50 for a game that you can sell after you played it or £30 for a game you have to keep?

Yeah but DD on PC is a wide open market where multiple businesses compete for your dollar. Steam is just one of those platforms. On consoles you only have PSN for Sony platforms, XBL for MS platforms, and the eShop or whatever for Nintendo. Even outside of Steam sales, DD games on PC get ridiculous sales all the time. I have a hard time believing publishers would treat console owners the same way, especially given how DLC transformed both markets this gen.