The left never think's their wrong, they just think everyone else is stupid.

You zung me?  Is that what you call changing your argument when I prove you wrong.  I don't play with people who make absurd claims then don't stick to there guns (pun intended) & carry on like they were never countered.  Enjoy your thread, I'll leave you to it/

"Michael-5 said:

This is why Canada has never had a mass shooting, and never will (unless an American smuggles a gun into the country and does this himself). This is why our homicide rate is that much lower."

A) Complete bullshit. Example, in Canada Marijuanna seeds are legal to buy. You can actually buy Marijuanna seeds at the store because the law banning Marijuanna specifies THC as a banned substance, but seeds are dormant and contain no THC.

B) This is probably why USA has so many problems. You guys at least need stricter gun....and tiger, controls.

BS too, you know how crazy you sound on my end? You need a pistol to go to Walgreens so you don't get robbed. That's ludacrous.

I'm ignorant, I just showed you that countries with strict gun control, and good boarders have less homicides. You completly ignored that fact. USA, Mexico, Russia, all have boarder controls, and poor gun control regulations, and as a result (Plus because of drug abuse) you have high homicide rates.

Someone who has a liscence to carry a gun is less likely to shoot somebody who doesn't own a gun? I don't know where you heard that, but regardless, if the gun owner can't garentee that his gun is out of reach of a family member or friend who might use it, he shouldn't be able to get a gun. Simple.

Grandma's don't need semi-autos, and they shouldn't be able to get one when their kid is nuts.

I did multiple times say Drug abuse is a bigger factor then gun control. However, I still thing gun control should be better regulated. A family member shouldn't be able to buy a second gun if the first one was stollen, or buy one at all if anyone in the household doesn't pass the psych test.

As for Dallas, it's just unsettling, to me it's no different then walking into someone with a scythe on their back. I mean I know scythes were designed to cut grass, but it would still be unsettling seeing someone hold one in public. Texas is just very very different.....

Dallas actually reminded me of Tanzania. The military carry AK47's and took pretty damn intimidating. Took a photo with one guy because I couldn't miss the opportunity, but I never touched the gun.


Anyway, it's just different culture. I think Canada is very different. In Toronto only 3% of people are licenced to carry pistols, and I think that except for cops, no one should carry a pistol.

A) And yet most drugs in Canada are smuggled in.

B) In Canada i gurantee I could buy a gun illegally within 24 hours of entering the coutnry.

As for where I heard that somebody who has a liscense to carry a gun is less likely to own one... government statistics on crime.

Again the issue here is you are completely uninformed.   Again, Mexico and Russia have strong gun control regulations.  Stronger then Canada...  Russia has strong border control.

It's fine if you want to be uninformed one an issue, but don't expect others to blindly agree with you when you show you have no knowledge on the subject and just make stuff up. 

Also, US-Canada border control is shit.  So there should be MASSIVE shootings in Canada according to your logic.

1. Then that's poor gun control if people still have guns, LOL.

2. That's an incompetant Police department, another big issue in the USA.

3. Statistically, Mace and Taser's work just as effectively, and are non-lethal. I think that's a big fact most people skip over about guns.

P.S. I know USA's homicide rate is already pretty high, but what's the death rate caused by guns all together? Self Defence isn't homicide, but it does result in death if you protect yourself with a gun. I wonder, how much would this add the the fatality rate in the USA.

4. Rarely do you need a gun then

5. You have the right to bear arms to overthrough your government in the even of corruption. Your governement is already corrupt, and no one dares to take on tanks with pistols. Guns help individuals less then they did in the 18th Century, and that whole second amendment is useless. People also have a right to their own personal safety.


6. I agree with your last point, but USA is no Switzerland. Japan and Korea also require all men to serve military time, and they also have drastically low homicide rates. With education, stricter background checks, psych tests, and discipline, you probably can be safe owning a weapon.

I actually really like the Idea of having all men serve military time. Statistically men murder more then women, and I bet you a lot of gangstas from the hood would probably get some sense knocked into them. You already have the worlds largest military, this shouldn't be too hard to achieve.

Not even 1 decent choice. Clearly the OP is extremely biased against guns. You have the right to think that way but I'm damn sure not going to help push your agenda by voting in that poll :)

B) I half agree on you, without a gun, troubled individuals don't have the means to go on murder sprees.

D) How is rape victim unreliable? Not really trading homicide for rape, there is a large increase in homicides, and gun related crimes, plus a small increas in assault, and the trade off is a small increase in rape. Like I said as well, with an obesity rate as high as USA's....Is that a good reason why Rape is lower?

D-II) Yea, but if border security was that good, why do you have so many illegal imigrants? I'm under the impression that southern boarders are more poorly controled then USA/Canada's. I mean how often does a stray Cuban cross our shores?

??? To your last comment, I think all guns in general, except Rifles, should be banned. Also, my thread isn't specific towards legal/illegal gun ownership. I'm saying that USA would be a lot better off if you suddenly removed all handguns, from criminals, and law abiding citizens.

I do agree though that illegal guns are a much bigger issue then legally obtained ones, but legally obtained weapons have their way of finding themselves in the hands of a criminal. So I still think all guns should be banned, so criminals don't get legally purchased guns, through illegal means.

F) Yea, yea, but 1 case is not enough to counter my point. Mass Murders are not an accepted, or common thing in Canada, not like in the USA.

Again you are just making shit up.  Taser's are nowhere near as effective as guns because it can actually be pretty hard to hit somebody with both darts... and even if you do hit them, if they're big enough or have drugs in them it might not bother them that much.

http://forums.officer.com/t34616/

Gives a few examples of taser issues.

Heck, a few layers of clothing can defeat a taser.

"Hey guys: my federal state took away people's negative liberties and I have so much of a Stockholm syndrome complex I love my state for it. You guys should let your federal state do the same! If not, you're crazy and your culture is crazy. "

^ This thread in a nutshell!