Should we Ban Guns?

[Michael-5]

dsgrue3 said:

Michael-5 said:

A) True, very true. You got me here, I guess I'm being a bit idealistic then, USA is a lot different then Canada.

B) All my comments are critiques to a video posted by..... JoetheBro. I assumed when someone quoted me, it was the same person who posted the video. Why did you critisize my comment about Mass Murders being caused by poor gun regulation if you had nothing to say about it?

C) My point was that video games aren't a problem. That Video I originally pointed out critisized video games as being the problem, but Canada and USA have the exact same video games, similar economies, and....USA's Homicide rate is significantly higher. My point is that video games aren't causing violence like the video suggested. Gun Culture, and acess to guns are contributing to it though.

D) Using that same website, you're also 20X more likely to get killed by a gunshot in the USA (40% FireArm Homicide rate in USA, Canada isn't even tracked, but it's below 2.6%), 10X more likely to be killed by a gun, and only 2X more likely to get raped

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_vic-crime-rape-victims

Your own website is posting contradictory information. 15X as many rapes per capita, but the rape rate is only twice as high? (0.8% vs. 0.4%), and we have a population with an obesity rate which is less then half of yours....Kinda clear why that happens. Is this telling me the same people are getting raped?

Yes USA, is much more violent.

D-II) Why would closed boarders be equally susceptable? Canada has a closed border with USA, Japan and South Korea have closed borders, and lookie here....low low Homicide rates, especially with Guns.

E) Except for Finland.....wait Canada's Gun ownership rate isn't even that high, why are we on the left?

Also, you don't have to ban all guns. What about handguns. I don't know Canada's handgun ownership rate, but Toronto's Handgun ownership rate is about 3%, and look we have a low crime rate.

Why not just ban handguns?

F) True, but still 1 murder spree 20 years ago doesn't make much of a case.

A) Ha! 

B) Mass murders aren't caused by poor gun regulation, they are caused by crazy individuals. Any other notion is unfounded and misguided.

C) I never argued they were.

D) Yes, but violence isn't limited to guns which was my point. Your source is not rape crime, but rape victim - in other words, unreliable. Read the fine print at the bottom. Basically you're trading homicide for rape and touting it as a success. 

D-II) Well, the USA has a closed border with Mexico and where do you think the majority of all illegal weapons come from? The point is, criminals couldn't care less whether or not the border is open or closed. (And this has nothing to do with legal gun ownership)

Hand guns are the problem now? lol wow you just keep shouting arguments in hopes that one will stick. You come unprepared and it shows.

F) Case: Canada has had mass shootings. I cited 2. Case closed. You lose.

B) I half agree on you, without a gun, troubled individuals don't have the means to go on murder sprees.

D) How is rape victim unreliable? Not really trading homicide for rape, there is a large increase in homicides, and gun related crimes, plus a small increas in assault, and the trade off is a small increase in rape. Like I said as well, with an obesity rate as high as USA's....Is that a good reason why Rape is lower?

D-II) Yea, but if border security was that good, why do you have so many illegal imigrants? I'm under the impression that southern boarders are more poorly controled then USA/Canada's. I mean how often does a stray Cuban cross our shores?

??? To your last comment, I think all guns in general, except Rifles, should be banned. Also, my thread isn't specific towards legal/illegal gun ownership. I'm saying that USA would be a lot better off if you suddenly removed all handguns, from criminals, and law abiding citizens.

I do agree though that illegal guns are a much bigger issue then legally obtained ones, but legally obtained weapons have their way of finding themselves in the hands of a criminal. So I still think all guns should be banned, so criminals don't get legally purchased guns, through illegal means.

F) Yea, yea, but 1 case is not enough to counter my point. Mass Murders are not an accepted, or common thing in Canada, not like in the USA.