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Would you release a new PS or Xbox in 2013?

Yes it's time for a new PS. 84 35.00%
 
Yes it's time for a new Xbox. 74 30.83%
 
Nope, I would stick to the PS3 10 year plan. 65 27.08%
 
Nope, I would wait until ... 17 7.08%
 
Total:240
DaRev on 09 January 2013
theRepublic said:

DaRev said:

 Seriously, what is the point of them brining out new consoles at this point, when considering that PS3 and Xbox 360 seem to be in the prime of their lives?

They are absolutely not in the prime of their lives.  Check this out from TheSource.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=152463

Here is what I said later in the thread.  The short answer is that gamers in 2012 are now buying less games per year than they were when the consoles launched.  They both peaked in 2008.  Interested is waining.  It is time to move on.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5011079

theRepublic said:
theRepublic said:

Here is the separated analysis everyone was asking for.  I copy and pasted the exact numbers from the charts, so you will notice 2005 looks a little different because of the rounding TheSource did.

  LTD Hardware Yearly Software Game Purchase Rate
Year X360 PS3 X360 PS3 X360 PS3
2005 1,178,267 0 2,849,162 0 2.42 ---
2006 7,979,799 1,252,040 25,207,607 2,033,730 3.16 1.62
2007 15,859,351 9,174,095 61,447,450 37,173,227 3.87 4.05

2008

 26,772,474 19,378,853 108,909,458 88,788,171 4.07 4.58
2009 36,932,992 32,376,827 107,118,181 96,837,921 2.90 2.99
2010 49,961,079 46,388,642 133,691,251 131,311,968 2.68 2.83
2011 63,769,444 60,507,735 154,713,292 148,409,212 2.43 2.45
2012 74,249,953 72,396,583 143,023,845 135,880,467 1.93 1.88

I guess I will throw in a little of my own analysis.

If you were to graph the game purchase rate against time, it would make a rough bell curve with both
consoles peaking in 2008.  It is pretty amazing how far both consoles dropped in 2009, with both falling
 more than one game in purchase rate.  It was more slow decline in 2010 and 2011, but 2012 brought
another small cliff.  Both fell another half game in 2012.  The Xbox360 has now dropped below its launch
point.  The PS3 has not yet gone that low, but it is close.  I would not be surprised by another 0.5 drop in
purchase rate for 2013.  That would put both consoles well below their rate at launch.  Clearly, that would 
be the time for new consoles.

yeah, but isn't that a bit expected that the first time you buy a console, you would buy at least two games? I mean I just bout a Wii U and bought 2 games at launch and will buy at least two more before April 2013. Saturation of the market doesn't mean that the consoles or the games are past their prime, because many games still sell in the millions today.

So if I'm readng your chart correctly, the fact that Sony was selling 4.5 games when the pS3 was at 19m in 2008, doesn't make it more profitable than now its selling 1.8 games with 72m consoles on the market. Doesn't that say that Sony (and MS) are making more money now on games than they did back in 2008? or am I reading this wrong?



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itsJabby on 09 January 2013

this poll is weird..i can't choose that its time for both?



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kljesta64 on 09 January 2013

no new games good games no new ips everything is old

its time for a change



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DaRev on 09 January 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
DaRev said:
wow, ok, most people here seem to think it's time for both a new PS and Xbox, but who where those people a year ago at the time of the rumors of Wii U that claimed they were happy with their current gen and consoles for at least another few years?


I personaly never claimed that. But you have to admit that the people with PS360s weren't looking forward to a Wii U only slightly more powerfull than the PS360 they already have. I'll be getting a Wii U as soon as a real Mario, Zelda or Metroid hits because I always buy Nintendo consoles for my favorite Nintendo games. But I'm sure you can see that people are excited about the next Playstation and Xbox because they will be huge advancements compared to what we have now. Halo 5 is going to be spectacular.

Agreed, but which will make MS more money Halo 5 on 360 2014 or Halo 5 on 720 in 2014? Hence my reason for tthis thred. Yes the gen has to end some time, but is now the right time for Sony and MS? I'm not so sure of that.



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Ssenkahdavic on 09 January 2013

You need a new Option

Everyone has lost their damn minds.



 

  

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KeptoKnight on 09 January 2013
DaRev said:
Dodece said:
DaRev said:
wow, ok, most people here seem to think it's time for both a new PS and Xbox, but who where those people a year ago at the time of the rumors of Wii U that claimed they were happy with their current gen and consoles for at least another few years?

Apparently if the rumors are to be believed they are going to get their wish. In a few months it will be two years since the Wii U was announced, and that would mean that a late fall launch would be about two and a half years, and a late spring launch next year will actually be three solid years. So did you actually have any kind of point with this comment, or are you just padding the thread.

Nope no padding, I really didn't expect these responses lol. I really thought people were more than happy with their PS360s and even happier to just buy games instead of expensive consoles. But I agree, it will soon be 'a few years' more since people have had their PS360s, so maybe while it's not yet a full 10 year plan, it's been a good number of years.

If a game like GTA/COD can STILL sell enormous amounts on PS3 and 360 I DONT think there is a need for a new console. Both consoles are still at a very healthy stage.

*Problem with the HD twins is that "POWER" forces new consoles out. Developers should just focus on creactivity and refinement but instead they want to push power. Sad shit.



Mandalore76 on 09 January 2013
DaRev said:

 

 Sony even said that they had a 10 year plan for PS3 – but it’s only been six years so far since the launch of the PS3.

Everyone who talks about Sony's "10 year plan" for consoles does realize that the PS1 released in 1994, the PS2 in 2000, and the PS3 in 2006?  Those are six year intervals exactly.  To have no console out before 2016 with the new generation having already started in 2012 would be ludicrous.  They are clearly referring to the fact that they will continue to support the software for the console even after their next gen console has released.  The PS1 was supported for about 11 years after release, and the PS2 about 12 years.  But, each console had significant overlap with the release of it's successor.  PS4 will absolutely release within "the 10 year plan" of the PS3.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 09 January 2013
DaRev said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

i see your point but the industry is read for new consoles. i think dev's, Sony, and MS should take 2 more yr.'s and make profit off consoles they've broken to thier core (360 mainly/PS3 still some jucie left in it although most dev.'s say otherwise but i know the reason for that. it's because they don't have the tech to get that last bit out. wow this could have been a sentence) but the market for consoles are in decline, although some publishers are making record profits, while others like THQ are selling assets cause of bankruptcy and failure to make profit due to rising development cost.

the new consoles will likely lower dev. cost because from the rumors we've been getting, it seems that way, so there's your answer.

simpler consoles to lower dev. cost. hopefully. all speculation of course.

Ok you lost me at the bold. I thougt that new hardware meant new R&D and higher development cost simply to learn the new hardware. So how can it be cheeper for develpers to work with a new console which they don't know, as oppsed to a current console that they have made games for before?

all i can tell you is that dev. cost have not gone down this gen. they continued to go up steadly. the bold is my idea of the hardware as it seems PS4 and nextboxt will be more like PC's which makes them easier to dev. for.

besides, that's the direction Sony have been said to be taking. once again, it's all speculation. and if they don't want more dev's to close thier doors, then simpiler consoles lowering dev cost, while having power, and being able to manipulate the console. 



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kain_kusanagi on 09 January 2013
DaRev said:
kain_kusanagi said:
DaRev said:
wow, ok, most people here seem to think it's time for both a new PS and Xbox, but who where those people a year ago at the time of the rumors of Wii U that claimed they were happy with their current gen and consoles for at least another few years?


I personaly never claimed that. But you have to admit that the people with PS360s weren't looking forward to a Wii U only slightly more powerfull than the PS360 they already have. I'll be getting a Wii U as soon as a real Mario, Zelda or Metroid hits because I always buy Nintendo consoles for my favorite Nintendo games. But I'm sure you can see that people are excited about the next Playstation and Xbox because they will be huge advancements compared to what we have now. Halo 5 is going to be spectacular.

Agreed, but which will make MS more money Halo 5 on 360 2014 or Halo 5 on 720 in 2014? Hence my reason for tthis thred. Yes the gen has to end some time, but is now the right time for Sony and MS? I'm not so sure of that.

MS makes Halo for two reasons. It makes money and sells consoles. The consoles it sells get the machine into peoples homes who buy more games. They make most of their money from liscensing 3rd party games. So MS will make more money from Halo 5 on the Nextbox because people have started to slow down buying stuff on the current gen and are waiting for the next gen. Halo 5 will convince them to buy Nextbox and they will make truckloads of money from 3rd party liscenses.



DaRev on 09 January 2013
BluGamer23 said:
Shhh!! They are not Crazy!! .. o please o please release a new console MS and SONY asap!! ..

I cannot wait to see how these glorious console will do in sales!! Im predicting a lot fanboy dreams shattering.

Agreed. I just think as the saying goes, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. No doubt Sony and MS are making money NOW on PS360, but will very likely be losing chunks of money on PS720 for years to come.



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