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Are you for or against gay marriage?

For 290 49.49%
 
Against 171 29.18%
 
don't know 16 2.73%
 
whatever who cares? 108 18.43%
 
Total:585
Player1x3 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

Do you know how many ancient societies allowed pedophilia by modern standards? A lot more than those that didn't, not that that's to say it makes it morally right, but to say they weren't exactly low on the morality spectrum.


Well then, we should be glad Christianity ended stuff like that in the Western World :)

bullshit?

mariage with 12-14 years (and consummation) was pretty much standard for centuries throughout europe even with christianity in place - from our point of view that is pedophilia



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Andrespetmonkey said:
Player1x3 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
sales2099 said:

I personally don't care

Most arguments are religious based. The only one that I can think of is that many people fear things they can't understand, and since the vast majority of humans are straight.....ya. Also homosexuality hasn't been widely documented, let alone supported until the last 60 years or so. It'll take time to break the mindset humans have had since our dawn as a civilized race.

Historically homosexuality was pretty much accepted and well-documented in quite a few western cultures... like ancient Rome or Greece.

 That is actually a myth really... this video here explains it in details with lot of good points. It also shows some rather dirty and low deception tactics used by LGBT fanboys to create that myth

Same-sex marriages or "unions" were performed in ancient Rome. Emperors were in same-sex marriages... speaking of emperors, most of the earliest roman emperors were bisexual or homosexual. 

As for Greece... ok, don't really know that much about it so maybe whatever is said in that video is right.

Or u could Just look at the history of the most influential person in Greek History and see that the video is Just BS. Alexander the Great, and if u dont know about him .. well He was Gay, pretty much every historian has come to that agreement that he was either a Homosexual or atleast Bisexual, So yeah homosexuality definitely looked down upon in Ancient Greece<---(sarcasm).
And i would have liked to believe the video that was posted (for the sake of historical fact) But none of the Statments made in the video were sourced, so the whole thing could have just been an opinion.



BasilZero said:
Lafiel said:
Player1x3 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

Do you know how many ancient societies allowed pedophilia by modern standards? A lot more than those that didn't, not that that's to say it makes it morally right, but to say they weren't exactly low on the morality spectrum.


Well then, we should be glad Christianity ended stuff like that in the Western World :)

bullshit?

mariage with 12-14 years (and consummation) was pretty much standard throughout europe even with christianity in place - from our point of view that is pedophilia

I always though marriages/unions at that age back in classical/ancient times was because Life expectancy was lower than what it is now.

Yeah... I don't get why people getting caught up on it. It was probably as simple as that. The distinction between childhood and adulthood was just different.



BasilZero said:
Lafiel said:
Player1x3 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

Do you know how many ancient societies allowed pedophilia by modern standards? A lot more than those that didn't, not that that's to say it makes it morally right, but to say they weren't exactly low on the morality spectrum.


Well then, we should be glad Christianity ended stuff like that in the Western World :)

bullshit?

mariage with 12-14 years (and consummation) was pretty much standard throughout europe even with christianity in place - from our point of view that is pedophilia

I always though marriages/unions back in classical/ancient times was because Life expectancy was lower than what it is now.

well, yes life expectency was at about ~35 years I guess, so that's a big factor, but ofcourse thats just an average that is brought down by ~40% of the people dieing before they became adults (most at birth-> reaching age of 5)

after that they probably mostly reached their 40-50th birthday



i think it should be allowed. it's the good right of a church to say they don't allow it but marriage outside of religion should be allowed from the government.

i mean, here in germany there is the civil marriage (that's what you need to get the rights/benefits of a couple) and then the marriage in a church (for the people who want that religious stuff). i don't really see the reason why gay people shouldn't get the right for the civil marriage. church is something else, that's should be the decision of the church.



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Andrespetmonkey said:
Player1x3 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

Do you know how many ancient societies allowed pedophilia by modern standards? A lot more than those that didn't, not that that's to say it makes it morally right, but to say they weren't exactly low on the morality spectrum. Anyway, this is irrelevant to my point, which is that the acceptence and documentation of homosexuality is not an exclusively modern phenomenon in the western world. My point has nothing to do with rights and wrongs.


Well then, we should be glad Christianity ended stuff like that in the Western World :)

I'm not one for oppression and persecution of innocent people, but you can be glad at whatever you want mate.

Im glad it brought end to slavery, pedophilia, animal/human sacriface, homosexuality among leaders and generals, paganism and idoltary.  Altho, I admit it brough quite the few problems as well, mostly coming from the corrupted leaders



I personally dont care who marries who. It is a personal commitment.

I dont understand why more people dont question why the government is in charge of marriage in the first place.



we should all stick with traditional christian marriages where women are property to be bought, sold and all around treated as property for our sexual enjoyment and to look after our children.



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I support it myself, but the only sensible idea I have heard is that marriage is a religious institution, so it should follow religious laws.

In which case, it should have no government recognition, and a government-recognised life partnership should be open to any two (or, hell, more than two) consenting adults.



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