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Mnementh on 07 January 2013
007BondAgent said:
 

You are quite full off it, you spend to much time looking at past sales instead of recent sales.

Plus what i said was right, the 360 did better in japan in it's early years, plus you interpreted the word decline wrong, if you actually read my post hard enough you would realise, that i meant the sales was declining which it is.

Well, PS3-sales were bigger in Japan in the past, then they are now. Should Sony even bother to release a successor?



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007BondAgent on 07 January 2013
kowenicki said:
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kain_kusanagi said:
Yes they will. Compared to the original Xbox the Xbox 360 did gangbusters in Japan. MS also knows that they need Japanese games on their system to compete in the rest of the world too. I expect MS to put as much or more effort into Japan as they did this gen and we will see the Xbox brand continue to grow there. The Japanese are slowly starting to adopt foreign tech so MS needs to keep pushing until the Japanese finally get what the rest of us already know. Halo kicks ass.


How could it be growing when it was selling better 3-4 years ago?

So a brand is only growing if it sells more units each year?  Bizarre way to look at it.

It is a growing brand because last gen they sold 0.53m consoles and this gen thay have so far sold 1.63m.  Pretty sure thats growth.

xbox hasn't grown in japan since 2008-2009

Infact most of it's sales came from it's early years, proving it's declining

WTF? 

NEGATIVE SALES!!!!

I dont know why you get involved in sales dicsussions, you come out with some bizarre statements.

But I'll play along.   let me see, there were 1m 360's in Japan mid 2009, now there are 1.6m.  So they added 60% to their install base... decline?

In any event you seem to be unable to seperate "console" from "brand" in your brain. 

The xbox brand is now bigger than it has ever been EVERYWHERE on the globe including Japan.

 

You are quite full off it, you spend to much time looking at past sales instead of recent sales.

Plus what i said was right, the 360 did better in japan in it's early years, plus you interpreted the word decline wrong, if you actually read my post hard enough you would realise, that i meant the sales was declining which it is.

You replied to a post about a "growing brand" with "sales are declining".

what do you expect?

so get back to the point he made. Is the BRAND growing?

The original xbox launched in japan in early 2002 and ceased in 2005

Yet it managed to sell 2million units in japan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox

Region Units sold
(as of May 10, 2006)		 First available
North America 16 million November 15, 2001
Europe 6 million March 14, 2002
Japan 2 million February 22, 2002
Worldwide

24 million

I don't know if these figures are right, but it doesn't look like the 360 grew at all.



007BondAgent on 07 January 2013
Mnementh said:
007BondAgent said:
 

You are quite full off it, you spend to much time looking at past sales instead of recent sales.

Plus what i said was right, the 360 did better in japan in it's early years, plus you interpreted the word decline wrong, if you actually read my post hard enough you would realise, that i meant the sales was declining which it is.

Well, PS3-sales were bigger in Japan in the past, then they are now. Should Sony even bother to release a successor?

The Playstation brand didn't grow though, so what's the point of this? and did i say microsoft shouldn't release the next xbox

:/



ryuzaki57 on 07 January 2013
man-bear-pig said:

Do you think MS will even bother launching in Japan given the negligible amount of units they'll sell there? Will it be worth it if they do?

Next gen I can see microsoft do all or nothing in Japan. They'll either go crazy and buy Japanese devs, get popular Japanese games as exclusives, etc. or they'll do absolutely nothing. I think they'll do the latter, because I don't think they'd ever get a return on their investment if they did really push hard to get a meaningful presence in Japan.

What do you think chartz?

They did that and it didn't prevent them to fail miserably. They should ship a few quantities for foreigners in Japan and stick to that. The Japanese hate them after what they've done, so setting a big promotion campaign and shipping a large number of systems would only be a waste of budget.



 

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mrstickball on 07 January 2013

If the X720 doesn't launch in Japan, does that mean the WiiU shouldn't launch in South Korea?

Its the same poor logic. Of course they're going to launch in Japan. The real question is if they moneyhat any games this time around.



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VGKing on 07 January 2013

Yes, they will launch. Look at the growth in sales between Xbox and Xbox 360. It is pretty significant.



Adinnieken on 07 January 2013

In Generation 8, Microsoft will focus it's attention on Europe.  It won't attempt to win Japan as it tried this generation.  The reason is simple, Europe provides a market similar in size to the US.  Dominate Europe, dominate the US, and Japan will eventually follow. 

The people who say the Japanese will only purchase Japanese products are just cynical.  The Japanese are like sheep.  If enough sheep follow one shepherd, they'll get in line.  When the Wii was hot world-wide, so too was it in Japan.  When the PS3 grew stronger in Europe, so too did it in Japan.  Even the iPhone has enjoyed success in Japan.

Microsoft can't make Japan happen for them, only the Japanese people can.  So, for 60m gamers Japan just isn't worth it.  Money is better spent on services and infrastructure in Europe to provide features and services Europeans would value.  Not to mention, European taste for games is similar, though not the same, as North America. 

Localizing games for Europe has benefits for other regions.  A game localized for Mexico can with relative ease be localized for Spain with some specific localization.  Likewise for Brazil and Portugal, Quebec and France, or the US/Canada, UK, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand.

Localization for Japan doesn't make localization for Korea, or China, or Vietnam any easier because the languages are significantly different. 

Finally, Japanese development studios have been a sinking ship.  The performance of NA developers as compared to Japanese developers (First Party aside) shows NA game studios outperforming their Japanese counterparts by a significant margin.  I won't go so far as to say that Japan isn't relevant anymore, but it is on the verge of becoming irrelevant. 



kain_kusanagi on 07 January 2013
YukanaSenix said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Yes they will. Compared to the original Xbox the Xbox 360 did gangbusters in Japan. MS also knows that they need Japanese games on their system to compete in the rest of the world too. I expect MS to put as much or more effort into Japan as they did this gen and we will see the Xbox brand continue to grow there. The Japanese are slowly starting to adopt foreign tech so MS needs to keep pushing until the Japanese finally get what the rest of us already know. Halo kicks ass.


Halo doesn't kick as...Its ass.
And Japanese don't play FPS that much - What they started to play a little bit is CoD and THAT ONLY ON PS3!

And what would they change for the NextBox compared to the start of the 360?
With the 360 they got nearly the best support they could have gotten - They had Tales of as an Exclusive.They had Mistwalker with Sakaguchi behind them and games like Eternal Sonata,Star Ocean,The Last Remnant(still in the most wanted list for the PS3 today) and everything else as an exclusive.
THEY ALL didn't sell - Japanese people even started to hate Microsoft even more cause they needed to either wait or buy a console they don't need and want.

This is why most Japanese Developers turned their back on the 360 and favored the PS3 again.Especially Tales of got an insane boost in Japan after they changed back.
SquareEnix became irrelevant in this Gen and their only Developer Team(Team Nomura) isn't allowed to work as he wants to(PS3 Exclusive).
They destroyed with FF13 and even favor the 360 more with 13-2(they lowered the amount of FMVs cause the 360 version of 13 was so inferior to the PS3 Version) a lot of their good reputation.

Oh and yes - Japanese don't hate foreign tech.They love apple and the Iphone and stuff.
They just don't like to buy devices they don't need cause the stuff usually is on the system they prefer with the highest quality possible.
Even Monster Hunter Frontier(i know a port from an old PC Game) didn't help - They were angry it didn't get released for the PS3.And this won't change Next Gen cause at the end Sony really got everything back.If Microsoft is FORCING them AGAIN to wait or buy a device no one needs there they will be even more angry.

They will launch the Nextbox(lol 720) in Japan for the Cavia(i think they make those sidescroll spaceship shooters) games and all that stuff.
They need a system they can develop easy and cheap for.But anything else won't be worth the effort.
Even more Kinect heavy?Didn't know the Japanese suddenly got a bigger living room.

Starting out calling Halo ass pretty much makes anything else  you say suspect.

Halo is the standard for which all console FPS are judged. Deal with it.



Chris Hu on 07 January 2013
VGKing said:
Yes, they will launch. Look at the growth in sales between Xbox and Xbox 360. It is pretty significant.

I doubt they can match that kinda growth with the720 but I think that 3 million units is doable.  I hope they will have a better add campaign when they launch it then they did with the 360 those "Do! do! do!" adds where horrible.



MoHasanie on 07 January 2013

Of course they will launch in Japan but they won't really try too hard there this time. They will launch in every market, but they will be most aggressive with their marketing in North America and Europe.



    

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