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Mr Khan said:
kain_kusanagi said:

We aren't sick of paying for the poor, elderly, and insane. We are sick of paying for those that abuse the system and don't deserve it.

Instead of cutting the programs we just need to kick people off the dole that don't deserve it.

My money shouldn't go to a third generation welfare abuser who gets free money and housing and uses his checks to buy beer and cigarettes.

I agree with this. The government should promote welfare and betterment in those who place their economic welfare into its hands, such that they will get no actual money period, but only entitlements to certain things (housing, clothing, health care, food, access to transportation, mandatory education or employment training so long as they're not too unhealthy to do so), and that the things they are given should be only what they need to be given. For instance, food stamps should only cover healthy food.



My babies momma was on WIC and SNAP... WIC provided most food needed so what did we do with the extra 250 dollars a month in SNAP? buy exoctic shit that we would like to try that we did not need whatso ever



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Max King of the Wild said:
kain_kusanagi said:

We aren't sick of paying for the poor, elderly, and insane. We are sick of paying for those that abuse the system and don't deserve it.

Instead of cutting the programs we just need to kick people off the dole that don't deserve it.

My money shouldn't go to a third generation welfare abuser who gets free money and housing and uses his checks to buy beer and cigarettes while rolling in an escalade and talking on an iphone.



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Lol, not far from the trueth. It might be a used beater and a cheap track phone, but they bought it with other people's money.



Well corporate socialism would be a good start. You can begin with halving the size of the military and thinking why you need so many 3 letter agencies. CIA, NSA, FBI, DEA, ATF, NRO, DHS, DOD, DEA, CID.



Tease.

Mr Khan said:
kain_kusanagi said:

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I agree with this. The government should promote welfare and betterment in those who place their economic welfare into its hands, such that they will get no actual money period, but only entitlements to certain things (housing, clothing, health care, food, access to transportation, mandatory education or employment training so long as they're not too unhealthy to do so), and that the things they are given should be only what they need to be given. For instance, food stamps should only cover healthy food.

This.

I think there should be a discretionary part to those benefits that exists when people can prove they are actively looking for work, doing certain kinds of unpaid work/volunteering, and/or recieving that education or training.



kain_kusanagi said:
Max King of the Wild said:
kain_kusanagi said:

We aren't sick of paying for the poor, elderly, and insane. We are sick of paying for those that abuse the system and don't deserve it.

Instead of cutting the programs we just need to kick people off the dole that don't deserve it.

My money shouldn't go to a third generation welfare abuser who gets free money and housing and uses his checks to buy beer and cigarettes while rolling in an escalade and talking on an iphone.

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Lol, not far from the trueth. It might be a used beater and a cheap track phone, but they bought it with other people's money



I've seen people using Illinois Link card on numerous occasions while using both an escalade and an iphone.



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If handled well, most people wouldn't notice that they disappeared ...

Take welfare for example, I would phase it out over a 10 year period. The payments would be frozen at todays value, and in year one I would allow welfare recipients to earn $250/month without penalty, and for every dollar earned above $250 they would lose $0.50 in benefits. In year 2 they could earn $500/month without penalty, and every dollar they earn above $500 would result in a $0.50 loss in benefits; and you continue with this increasing the maximum earnings while getting benefits for years to follow.

After about 5 years you start to reduce benefits and create a much more difficult to get into social program for those who legitimately can't work; and these people shouldn't be hard to see because the average person who is exploiting the system will (probably) jump at the opportunity to earn money on top of welfare, especially when it gets to $500/month or $1000/month without penalty.

After 10 years the average person who was on welfare would have been working full time for years and (almost) fully supporting themselves; and the small portion who this was not a legitimate option would have moved to the social program that was far more difficult to get into.



KungKras said:
Would lead to more desperate people, more homeless people, slums, skyrocketing crime rates.... just off the top of my head.

I suggest you investigate the world of the 1950s and compare that to your assumptions ... It had a tiny fraction of the social programs we have today and a far lower incidence of the problems you fear.



spurgeonryan said:

Everyone says they are sick of paying for the poor, elderly, insane, etc. But how would this country deal with these programs being closed down? Not even automatically. Lets say over a five year time period.

Clinton greatly reduced dependence on Welfare in America during his second term in office. The country is still here. Now Medicare is being cut, and America is struggling to afford other programs. Would everything be alright if 90%-100% of socialistic programs were shut down?

Maybe we should? Better than cutting defense. Other countries are just biding their time for when we do. Guarrantee it!

Why? Why should you assume that? Cutting the defence budget wouldn't necessarily be the cataphophe it is often made out to be by some. You could end up doing 'more-for-less' and making other efficiency saving. The government might even be able to apply permanent tax cuts without having to raise the borrowing "limit".

But if anyone tries to mess with the US defence budget, the media jump all over them and they're pretty much driven out of the country The military is about the only thing the right-wing actually want to spend tax money on. 



spurgeonryan said:

Everyone says they are sick of paying for the poor, elderly, insane, etc. But how would this country deal with these programs being closed down? Not even automatically. Lets say over a five year time period.

Clinton greatly reduced dependence on Welfare in America during his second term in office. The country is still here. Now Medicare is being cut, and America is struggling to afford other programs. Would everything be alright if 90%-100% of socialistic programs were shut down?

 

Maybe we should? Better than cutting defense. Other countries are just biding their time for when we do. Guarrantee it!


I think people are sick of paying an inefficent and inept government to dole out money. Plenty of people will be there to fill the gap and help those in need. Just like before welfare was started at such an extreme level.



HappySqurriel said:
KungKras said:
Would lead to more desperate people, more homeless people, slums, skyrocketing crime rates.... just off the top of my head.

I suggest you investigate the world of the 1950s and compare that to your assumptions ... It had a tiny fraction of the social programs we have today and a far lower incidence of the problems you fear.

It also had an excellent and well-funded education system among other things.

I'll get back to it. I'll have to find a place to read about exactly how policy looked in the 50's.



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