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and ive yaken classes in logic happy.
there are computer programs that exist that can tell you if a conclusion is logical.
it's a math course.

While that doesn't exempt me from the possibility of making illogical statements, do understand that I am capable of identifying illogic when it is pointed out. If you are seeing illogic in a post of mine, feel free to point it out and I will look over it.

However, if you disagree with me, understand that there is perhaps something you are misunderstanding, rather than assume that i am wrong.

For instance, we can both be right about a certain topic, so long as we have different understandings of the framework. However there is only one correct framework here. Logically, I would conclude that your understanding is wrong, and therefore why you are insistent that you are correct in your accusation of me using fallacy incorrectly.



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theprof00 said:
to reiterate in a logical way for you, the bolded you pointed out is logical unto itself;
b follows from a.
However, a is an assumption (logical term, look it up)
and a is unproven, therefore because god is unproven (logically), b is not proven by a, but may be proved by something else hypothetically.

I am not discussing the logical validity of the claim, I'm criticising the use of the rules "Appeal to authority". You are once again using special pleading.

Appeal to authority:

"Using the opinion or position of an authority figure, or institution of authority, in place of an actual argument."

This has nothing to do with:

"if god wants us to procreate, why would he make gays."

 

I'm beginning to believe special pleading is something you are very good at.



theprof00 said:
and ive yaken classes in logic happy.
there are computer programs that exist that can tell you if a conclusion is logical.
it's a math course.

Yes, you're talking about the likes of Isabelle, I've used it.

You are very sloppy at logic I have observed. I'm stricking this out because I'm not exactly sure how I feel about you.



theprof00 said:
and ive yaken classes in logic happy.
there are computer programs that exist that can tell you if a conclusion is logical.
it's a math course.

While that doesn't exempt me from the possibility of making illogical statements, do understand that I am capable of identifying illogic when it is pointed out. If you are seeing illogic in a post of mine, feel free to point it out and I will look over it.

However, if you disagree with me, understand that there is perhaps something you are misunderstanding, rather than assume that i am wrong.

For instance, we can both be right about a certain topic, so long as we have different understandings of the framework. However there is only one correct framework here. Logically, I would conclude that your understanding is wrong, and therefore why you are insistent that you are correct in your accusation of me using fallacy incorrectly.

I can respect everything in here, but if you are completely honest, you will notice, imho, that you misused the rules in that specific post. I appreciate your humility, and I want to continue to take the time to show you where the misstep was.

My wish is that it will increase my confidence in you.



theprof00 said:
welcome!
now we just need someone to make those fakebanners for our profile pics.


Gnac



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I'm very sloppy at logic, as proven by your accusation of misusing fallacies, which has now diminished to misuning fallacy (singular), which i will prove you invorrect once again simply by saying that the statement relies upon god to make the argument.

Remember your own quote "in place of actual evidence". The scientists use actual evidence, therefore using a scientific understanding ia akin to using said evidence. Appeal to authority fallacy would be to say "because rol said it, it must be true".



theprof00 said:
1. yes it does because it's appealing to god as a source of what is right.
It's appealing to nature because since it's a natural function, it is the right function.
The strawman is misrepresenting the human function to say procreation is our raison d'etre, in order to more strongly argue the other points mentioned above.

No, in this contect it does not imply that God is a source of what is right. It wasn't part of the original statement.

The original statement: "if god wants us to procreate, why would he make gays."

What it does imply though, is that God is a designer (from "he make gays"), and the question was asking why would a designer who intends procreation allow for relations that don't procreate.

It's not the same as "I'm right because the bible says so".

imho



theprof00 said:
I'm very sloppy at logic, as proven by your accusation of misusing fallacies, which has now diminished to misuning fallacy (singular), which i will prove you invorrect once again simply by saying that the statement relies upon god to make the argument.

Remember your own quote "in place of actual evidence". The scientists use actual evidence, therefore using a scientific understanding ia akin to using said evidence. Appeal to authority fallacy would be to say "because rol said it, it must be true".

I have ignored the others because I am exhausted of arguing them, I will focus on one and prove you wrong, and then move on to the others if needed.



theprof00 said:
your argument with my "appral to nature" is completely off base. My claim is 100% logic.

all animals (excepting humans for now) have gay populations.
humans are animals.
therefore humans amust have gay populations.

a=b
x=a
therefore x=b
logic is mathematical.

No, it is completely based off of an uncertified and undescribed premise, which is that all species are alike.

It is 100% not complete logic.



happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:
your argument with my "appral to nature" is completely off base. My claim is 100% logic.

all animals (excepting humans for now) have gay populations.
humans are animals.
therefore humans amust have gay populations.

a=b
x=a
therefore x=b
logic is mathematical.

No, it is completely based off of an uncertified and undescribed premise, which is that all species are alike.

It is 100% not complete logic.

This is strawman. He said all animals (except) humans display homosexuality. Not, "All species are alike". Astonishing that in a thread about fallacies is one found.