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theprof00 said:
As for strawman;
the argument implies that procreation is something that defines us. If we were defined by procreation, then the reasoning would be true. However, it is unproven that we are defined as such.

You are unfamiliar with what a strawman is.

A strawman is an argument that you make in favor of the opposing view, only that it is purposefully a weak one, only so you can demolish it shortly after.

From your own image...

"Misrepresenting or exaggerating someone's argument to make it easier to attack."

You were totally off.



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actually all species do share some common similarities like reliance on oxygen, carbon based bodies, ability to procreate in one way or another...



dsgrue3 said:
happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:
your argument with my "appral to nature" is completely off base. My claim is 100% logic.

all animals (excepting humans for now) have gay populations.
humans are animals.
therefore humans amust have gay populations.

a=b
x=a
therefore x=b
logic is mathematical.

No, it is completely based off of an uncertified and undescribed premise, which is that all species are alike.

It is 100% not complete logic.

This is strawman. He said all animals (except) humans display homosexuality. Not, "All species are alike". Astonishing that in a thread about fallacies is one found.

How did you get from

"all animals (excepting humans for now) have gay populations."

to

"to humans must have gay populations"

?

 

The answer is simple, he assumed that all species in the animal kingdom are alike. Exactly what I stated.

It's missing from his logic, and I personally believe it to be false.

No strawman here, sorry.



theprof00 said:
actually all species do share some common similarities like reliance on oxygen, carbon based bodies, ability to procreate in one way or another...

My point is that the predicate was missing from your logical construction. Whether is true or not matters little to me, all that matters to me is that it may   be true or false, and that it was not listed in your construction.

New case of special pleading.



completely wrong happy and you completely inserted the words "in favor" when the op says nothing of the sort, while it does say, "misrepresenting the other sides point of view."



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theprof00 said:
completely wrong happy and you completely inserted the words "in favor" when the op says nothing of the sort, while it does say, "misrepresenting the other sides point of view."

Now you're just desperate. (yes, this is ad hominem, but it's true in this case. You are not attacking my points, you are focusing on details. By "in favor", I meant "In the direction of the opposing view's goal, what they are trying to demonstrate")



but i have just proven to you that all animal species are alike.



happydolphin said:
dsgrue3 said:
happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:
your argument with my "appral to nature" is completely off base. My claim is 100% logic.

all animals (excepting humans for now) have gay populations.
humans are animals.
therefore humans amust have gay populations.

a=b
x=a
therefore x=b
logic is mathematical.

No, it is completely based off of an uncertified and undescribed premise, which is that all species are alike.

It is 100% not complete logic.

This is strawman. He said all animals (except) humans display homosexuality. Not, "All species are alike". Astonishing that in a thread about fallacies is one found.

How did you get from

"all animals (excepting humans for now) have gay populations."

to

"to humans must have gay populations"

?

 

The answer is simple, he assumed that all species in the animal kingdom are alike. Exactly what I stated.

It's missing from his logic, and I personally believe it to be false.

No strawman here, sorry.

LMFAO. You are incredibly obtuse.

What he said: all animals (excepting humans for now) have gay populations.

What you said: No, it is completely based off of an uncertified and undescribed premise, which is that all species are alike.

Please tell me where in his premise of all animals (excepting humans for now) have gay populations. that he said anything remotely near all species are alike.. Strawman at its finest. Own up to it, it's so obviously true, that I question your intelligence in regard to understanding the meaning of the term.



happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:
completely wrong happy and you completely inserted the words "in favor" when the op says nothing of the sort, while it does say, "misrepresenting the other sides point of view."

Now you're just desperate.


desperate? you contradicted yourself in a single sentence by saying it's "in favor", and then linking to a quote that does not say in favor.

What am i desperate about, other than to help you see your error?



dsgrue3 said:

LMFAO. You are incredibly obtuse.

What he said: all animals (excepting humans for now) have gay populations.

What you said: No, it is completely based off of an uncertified and undescribed premise, which is that all species are alike.

Please tell me where in his premise of all animals (excepting humans for now) have gay populations. that he said anything remotely near all species are alike.. Strawman at its finest. Own up to it, it's so obviously true, that I question your intelligence in regard to understanding the meaning of the term.

Which part of "excepting humans for now" did you miss?

The question isn't whether there are homosexual individuals in the human species, but whether there should be. That is the question he is trying to answer with his logic. As such, how can he answer the question without falling back to "Appeal to nature" unless he assumes that all species are alike?


ANSWER IS: He can't.