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hunter_alien said:


Exactly... or they could change it now. Never the less, even if Viper1 is hating the idea, Nintendo is slacking thats the short and best answer, to why this issue even exists.

No, that's just the answer you want to exist. 



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weaveworld said:


Again to whom? We're talking about Ninty in EU, stop spinning the problem like a Sony executive.

Nintendo doesn't need to leave, they are working to find a way around the problem but they're just a bit late and they deserve scorn for that.

On the other hand great business strategy on Ninty's part! I can see all parents in Europe thinking: "yay a violence and porn free console for ze kids!"


Porn is permitted.

Only Violence that is not.

And it's not a strategy, if you can't understand this... they have to do this. Rellocating HQ is probably something EXTREMELY complex, and involves costs probably way higher than the revenue 1000 copies ZombiU will bring them online. Or else Companies would do this all the time, at the first sign of trouble (like the Sony example... why would any exporter be in Japan right now?)

I mean, I suppose they're trying to fix this, but fixing it by doing something stupid financially is... well, stupid.

It's not like you can't buy it at the regular store anytime, so your console is not violence free either.



Viper1 said:
hunter_alien said:


Exactly... or they could change it now. Never the less, even if Viper1 is hating the idea, Nintendo is slacking thats the short and best answer, to why this issue even exists.

No, that's just the answer you want to exist. 

I dont wnat to be rude. I dont want to troll Nintendo, I have some great memories with their IPs. I can understand that they have some strong points (1st party wise they are by far the strongest from the 3 console manufacturers), but we are talking about a weak point now.

I doubt that I am biased when I say that Nintys online services is lacking, most Nintendo fans will probably agree with me. the fact that they wont move from Germany for this issue, is probably a financial one ( moving is indeed expensive, and they will probably never sell enough M rated games digitally, for this to be a worthy investment), but there are just more and more small gripes with it, and for many its getting annoying.

I trully believe that this issue is something that should be inimaginable in an 8th generation console. Again, it is my opinion, and I dont want to serve it as a rule.



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Sommernacht said:

What sucks here is the application by Nintendo which I am sure could have been handled differently.

Differently how?


I am not convinced that Nintendo is required by (national or European) law to apply this to all EU countries. I've got the feeling that Nintendo is not bothered by this too much (Nintendo never reall liked adult-only stuff, right?) and chose the simpler version of applying it to all of Europe.

It should be quite easy to restrict this to Germany and/or to create workarounds like other people in this thread have suggested (age verification).

By the way I find it quite ignorant of people in this thread who post generalized, biased comments like "German laws suck" based on this one instance where it might actually just be Nintendos way of interpreting this law.

Fun fact: you actually have a bigger time frame to download mature games in Germany than in the rest of europe:

"“Therefore the accessibility of 18+ content in Nintendo eShop is limited to [USK: 22:00 UTC until 4:00 UTC] [PEGI: 23:00 UTC until 3:00 UTC].” (from eurogamer)



weaveworld said:
Barozi said:

What was the deal with violent movies again? You can only enter a rental store when you're 18+ or something?

And that doesn't count for games that are rated?

Just asking...

Not quite, there are 18+ rental stores and family rental stores. Also if you're with a parent I don't think it matters at all. Probably not 100% legal but nearly every shopkeeper will just ignore you.

Source: http://www.jugendschutzaktiv.de/informationen_fuer_gewerbetreibende_und_veranstalter/videotheken/dok/38.php

The exposition of hardcore porn and non-rated games are the only issue here. Not USK/FSK18 content !



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hunter_alien said:

I dont wnat to be rude. I dont want to troll Nintendo, I have some great memories with their IPs. I can understand that they have some strong points (1st party wise they are by far the strongest from the 3 console manufacturers), but we are talking about a weak point now.

I doubt that I am biased when I say that Nintys online services is lacking, most Nintendo fans will probably agree with me. the fact that they wont move from Germany for this issue, is probably a financial one ( moving is indeed expensive, and they will probably never sell enough M rated games digitally, for this to be a worthy investment), but there are just more and more small gripes with it, and for many its getting annoying.

I trully believe that this issue is something that should be inimaginable in an 8th generation console. Again, it is my opinion, and I dont want to serve it as a rule.

Most people have stated the Wii U's online component now put it on par, even somewhat superior, to the other HD consoles.  Read up on it, it may surprise you.

And it's not M rated titles that's the problem but USK 18.  Most ESRB M rated titles are given a USK 16 rating.  Only a few get the 18 rating like ZombiU did.

I fully agree that they need to find a way around the issue but I can't understand how some people are saying the fault itself is with Nintendo when ALL other Germany online entities are subject to the same law.



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Sommernacht said:
Sommernacht said:

What sucks here is the application by Nintendo which I am sure could have been handled differently.

Differently how?


I am not convinced that Nintendo is required by (national or European) law to apply this to all EU countries. I've got the feeling that Nintendo is not bothered by this too much (Nintendo never reall liked adult-only stuff, right?) and chose the simpler version of applying it to all of Europe.

It should be quite easy to restrict this to Germany and/or to create workarounds like other people in this thread have suggested (age verification).

By the way I find it quite ignorant of people in this thread who post generalized, biased comments like "German laws suck" based on this one instance where it might actually just be Nintendos way of interpreting this law.

They are required just as all other German online retail shops are required.  This isn't exclusive to Nintendo.

As for content, keep in mind that it was Nintnedo of Europe that bundled the USK 18 rated ZombiU with the 32 GB Wii U model.   And Nintendo published the ultra violent Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge and have funded and will publish the hyper erotic and violent Bayonetta 2.  While they may have shied away from it in the past, they seem to be embracing it much more now than ever.

And I agree that saying all German laws suck just becaue this one is overly cautious is rude.  However, it's not Nintendo's interpretation but rather the actual regulation itself that's in place.



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Sommernacht said:


I am not convinced that Nintendo is required by (national or European) law to apply this to all EU countries. I've got the feeling that Nintendo is not bothered by this too much (Nintendo never reall liked adult-only stuff, right?) and chose the simpler version of applying it to all of Europe.

It should be quite easy to restrict this to Germany and/or to create workarounds like other people in this thread have suggested (age verification).

By the way I find it quite ignorant of people in this thread who post generalized, biased comments like "German laws suck" based on this one instance where it might actually just be Nintendos way of interpreting this law.

Exactly.

I see two possible ways. (I remind you that I have no clue about the eShop and that the following are just logical conclusions)

1. Proper age verification
As I've proved it's possible to buy 18+ content at all times anywhere, that must mean that it's in some way possible to buy 18+ content via the eShop without proper verification. (Probably with Nintendo eShop cards ?)

2. Dedicated German eShop
Redirect every German WiiU owner to the German eShop where titles like ZombiU are not available during daytime (or introduce the point above only there). All other European WiiU owners should get to either a European eShop or a UK eShop, Spain eShop etc.
That way there should be absolutely no problems regarding any German law.



Barozi, that website you posted before, are you certain the company itself is located in Germany? That website could simply be hosted on a .de domain but that doesn't make them applicable to the laws.


EDIT: Nevermind, I found it.  They are.

 


All in all, there is way too much we don't know to draw any conclusions one way or the other.



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VicViper said:
weaveworld said:


Again to whom? We're talking about Ninty in EU, stop spinning the problem like a Sony executive.

Nintendo doesn't need to leave, they are working to find a way around the problem but they're just a bit late and they deserve scorn for that.

On the other hand great business strategy on Ninty's part! I can see all parents in Europe thinking: "yay a violence and porn free console for ze kids!"


Porn is permitted.

Only Violence that is not.

And it's not a strategy, if you can't understand this... they have to do this. Rellocating HQ is probably something EXTREMELY complex, and involves costs probably way higher than the revenue 1000 copies ZombiU will bring them online. Or else Companies would do this all the time, at the first sign of trouble (like the Sony example... why would any exporter be in Japan right now?)

I mean, I suppose they're trying to fix this, but fixing it by doing something stupid financially is... well, stupid.

It's not like you can't buy it at the regular store anytime, so your console is not violence free either.

I understand that it is not a strategy, that remark wasn't to be taken so seriously. As for your other remarks, i gave my opinion on their treatment of the problem at hand. Without moving they should have adressed the problem earlier. My guess is that it shouldn't be all that difficult.