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German Law to Blame For 18+ Rated Wii U Content Block In Europe

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Barozi said:

What was the deal with violent movies again? You can only enter a rental store when you're 18+ or something?

And that doesn't count for games that are rated?

Just asking...



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weaveworld said:
Viper1 said:
hunter_alien said:

Terrible analogy. In that case they wont open shop in Saudi Arabia. But Nintendo operates in the EU, yet they dont manage to offer the same quality (in online services) as their competitor. They compromise, so the alcohol firm is selling light bevregaes in Saudi Arabia.

It doesnt really matter, the fact is that they could only gain in the longrun, if they changed their HQ, yet they cripple the WiiUs online capabilities, at a time, when both XBL and PSN are gathering steam, and pretty much destroying them.

No matter what the argue is against it, the fact remains, Nintendo is doing a terrible job at catching up in this department, and the gap is only widening


  Gotcha.   It's Nintendo's fault for establishing their HQ in a country that would later to pass a law that would cripple their future online shop.  You know, back in 1990 before anyone really knew what an online store was?

ehm... they could have seen this coming for years? That's like turning a blind eye, good business strategy.

Considering the law was originally aimed at TV broadcasts, I don't see how they expected it would affect them.

It should also be noted that the regulation is already under heavy scrutiny and may be overtuned later.

 

For those pushign for them to just move their HQ, would you move your entire HQ if there was a chance the regulation may be removed after you moved?



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weaveworld said:
Viper1 said:
hunter_alien said:

Terrible analogy. In that case they wont open shop in Saudi Arabia. But Nintendo operates in the EU, yet they dont manage to offer the same quality (in online services) as their competitor. They compromise, so the alcohol firm is selling light bevregaes in Saudi Arabia.

It doesnt really matter, the fact is that they could only gain in the longrun, if they changed their HQ, yet they cripple the WiiUs online capabilities, at a time, when both XBL and PSN are gathering steam, and pretty much destroying them.

No matter what the argue is against it, the fact remains, Nintendo is doing a terrible job at catching up in this department, and the gap is only widening


  Gotcha.   It's Nintendo's fault for establishing their HQ in a country that would later to pass a law that would cripple their future online shop.  You know, back in 1990 before anyone really knew what an online store was?

ehm... they could have seen this coming for years? That's like turning a blind eye, good business strategy.


Exactly... or they could change it now. Never the less, even if Viper1 is hating the idea, Nintendo is slacking thats the short and best answer, to why this issue even exists.



VicViper said:
weaveworld said:

ehm... they could have seen this coming for years? That's like turning a blind eye, good business strategy.

Again, why don't Sony pack up and move away from japan?

I mean, they could have seen the yen getting strong for years.


Again to whom? We're talking about Ninty in EU, stop spinning the problem like a Sony executive.

Nintendo doesn't need to leave, they are working to find a way around the problem but they're just a bit late and they deserve scorn for that.

On the other hand great business strategy on Ninty's part! I can see all parents in Europe thinking: "yay a violence and porn free console for ze kids!"



hunter_alien said:


Exactly... or they could change it now. Never the less, even if Viper1 is hating the idea, Nintendo is slacking thats the short and best answer, to why this issue even exists.

No, that's just the answer you want to exist. 



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weaveworld said:


Again to whom? We're talking about Ninty in EU, stop spinning the problem like a Sony executive.

Nintendo doesn't need to leave, they are working to find a way around the problem but they're just a bit late and they deserve scorn for that.

On the other hand great business strategy on Ninty's part! I can see all parents in Europe thinking: "yay a violence and porn free console for ze kids!"


Porn is permitted.

Only Violence that is not.

And it's not a strategy, if you can't understand this... they have to do this. Rellocating HQ is probably something EXTREMELY complex, and involves costs probably way higher than the revenue 1000 copies ZombiU will bring them online. Or else Companies would do this all the time, at the first sign of trouble (like the Sony example... why would any exporter be in Japan right now?)

I mean, I suppose they're trying to fix this, but fixing it by doing something stupid financially is... well, stupid.

It's not like you can't buy it at the regular store anytime, so your console is not violence free either.



Viper1 said:
hunter_alien said:


Exactly... or they could change it now. Never the less, even if Viper1 is hating the idea, Nintendo is slacking thats the short and best answer, to why this issue even exists.

No, that's just the answer you want to exist. 

I dont wnat to be rude. I dont want to troll Nintendo, I have some great memories with their IPs. I can understand that they have some strong points (1st party wise they are by far the strongest from the 3 console manufacturers), but we are talking about a weak point now.

I doubt that I am biased when I say that Nintys online services is lacking, most Nintendo fans will probably agree with me. the fact that they wont move from Germany for this issue, is probably a financial one ( moving is indeed expensive, and they will probably never sell enough M rated games digitally, for this to be a worthy investment), but there are just more and more small gripes with it, and for many its getting annoying.

I trully believe that this issue is something that should be inimaginable in an 8th generation console. Again, it is my opinion, and I dont want to serve it as a rule.



Sommernacht said:

What sucks here is the application by Nintendo which I am sure could have been handled differently.

Differently how?


I am not convinced that Nintendo is required by (national or European) law to apply this to all EU countries. I've got the feeling that Nintendo is not bothered by this too much (Nintendo never reall liked adult-only stuff, right?) and chose the simpler version of applying it to all of Europe.

It should be quite easy to restrict this to Germany and/or to create workarounds like other people in this thread have suggested (age verification).

By the way I find it quite ignorant of people in this thread who post generalized, biased comments like "German laws suck" based on this one instance where it might actually just be Nintendos way of interpreting this law.

Fun fact: you actually have a bigger time frame to download mature games in Germany than in the rest of europe:

"“Therefore the accessibility of 18+ content in Nintendo eShop is limited to [USK: 22:00 UTC until 4:00 UTC] [PEGI: 23:00 UTC until 3:00 UTC].” (from eurogamer)



weaveworld said:
Barozi said:

What was the deal with violent movies again? You can only enter a rental store when you're 18+ or something?

And that doesn't count for games that are rated?

Just asking...

Not quite, there are 18+ rental stores and family rental stores. Also if you're with a parent I don't think it matters at all. Probably not 100% legal but nearly every shopkeeper will just ignore you.

Source: http://www.jugendschutzaktiv.de/informationen_fuer_gewerbetreibende_und_veranstalter/videotheken/dok/38.php

The exposition of hardcore porn and non-rated games are the only issue here. Not USK/FSK18 content !



hunter_alien said:

I dont wnat to be rude. I dont want to troll Nintendo, I have some great memories with their IPs. I can understand that they have some strong points (1st party wise they are by far the strongest from the 3 console manufacturers), but we are talking about a weak point now.

I doubt that I am biased when I say that Nintys online services is lacking, most Nintendo fans will probably agree with me. the fact that they wont move from Germany for this issue, is probably a financial one ( moving is indeed expensive, and they will probably never sell enough M rated games digitally, for this to be a worthy investment), but there are just more and more small gripes with it, and for many its getting annoying.

I trully believe that this issue is something that should be inimaginable in an 8th generation console. Again, it is my opinion, and I dont want to serve it as a rule.

Most people have stated the Wii U's online component now put it on par, even somewhat superior, to the other HD consoles.  Read up on it, it may surprise you.

And it's not M rated titles that's the problem but USK 18.  Most ESRB M rated titles are given a USK 16 rating.  Only a few get the 18 rating like ZombiU did.

I fully agree that they need to find a way around the issue but I can't understand how some people are saying the fault itself is with Nintendo when ALL other Germany online entities are subject to the same law.



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