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Scoobes said:
DanneSandin said:
I think it all depends on how powerful next gen consoles will be, but there is no doubt (excluding dellusional Sony fan bo.... Loyalists) that PS4 and Sony is between a rock and a hard place - and those would be WiiU and x3ox. WiiU will be the weakest, but considering sonys weak finances the PS4 can't afford to be too expansive. This will result in PS4 being similar to WiiU in power, but slightly stronger. The x3ox on the other hand could be that beast of a console everyone is expecting. Why? MS's got the money. But this would also mean that 3rd party developers won't utilize x3ox full power since they're gonna port those games over from WiiStation.

I think a lot of people are underestimating the costs of the tablet controller and how that money can be put back into the consoles silicon.

Without the money needed for the unconventional controller, Sony can put a bit more investment into the RAM, CPU or GPU whilst still keeping the costs down.


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Scoobes said:
DanneSandin said:
I think it all depends on how powerful next gen consoles will be, but there is no doubt (excluding dellusional Sony fan bo.... Loyalists) that PS4 and Sony is between a rock and a hard place - and those would be WiiU and x3ox. WiiU will be the weakest, but considering sonys weak finances the PS4 can't afford to be too expansive. This will result in PS4 being similar to WiiU in power, but slightly stronger. The x3ox on the other hand could be that beast of a console everyone is expecting. Why? MS's got the money. But this would also mean that 3rd party developers won't utilize x3ox full power since they're gonna port those games over from WiiStation.

I think a lot of people are underestimating the costs of the tablet controller and how that money can be put back into the consoles silicon.

Without the money needed for the unconventional controller, Sony can put a bit more investment into the RAM, CPU or GPU whilst still keeping the costs down.


oh, i have no doubt about that ps4 will have more of everything, the question is though, will it pack enough of a punch so that wii u wont be getting good ports? the wii got gimped bastard versions, but will wii u suffer the same fate? or will it only have less impressive graphics?



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CCFanboy said:
Scoobes said:

2. The previous gen is no indicator of how next gen will turn out. If that were the case PS3 would have sold like the Wii. Consumers are a fickle bunch.


Funnily enough this is the only place on the internet which seems to note that point. If anything proves this point it is how much sony has fallen from grace. Psp, ps3 and vita have all been outsold by the competition. Psp go was a commercial failure. They have really been hit hard this generation. Hopefully they improve on ps4. Sony have the most to gain there.

Sony do have a lot to gain but it really depends on how forward thinking they can be. Part of the reason Microsoft have done so well this gen is because they pushed online early and had a very good infrastructure in place. We can see with the Wii why Ninetndo did so well. Sony ended up playing catch up in both areas whilst Blu-Ray and Cell didn't really give them the edge they hoped for. Unfortunately, I don't see much forward thinking in Vita, they seem to be clinging to old ideas instead of truly competing with tablets and mobiles.

It's not all negative though as I think the Gaikai aquisition is going to play a big part of their strategy next gen. Maybe not immediately but a couple of years in it should start taking off, especially if they can spread it to a wide range of devices.



DanneSandin said:
Scoobes said:
DanneSandin said:
I think it all depends on how powerful next gen consoles will be, but there is no doubt (excluding dellusional Sony fan bo.... Loyalists) that PS4 and Sony is between a rock and a hard place - and those would be WiiU and x3ox. WiiU will be the weakest, but considering sonys weak finances the PS4 can't afford to be too expansive. This will result in PS4 being similar to WiiU in power, but slightly stronger. The x3ox on the other hand could be that beast of a console everyone is expecting. Why? MS's got the money. But this would also mean that 3rd party developers won't utilize x3ox full power since they're gonna port those games over from WiiStation.

I think a lot of people are underestimating the costs of the tablet controller and how that money can be put back into the consoles silicon.

Without the money needed for the unconventional controller, Sony can put a bit more investment into the RAM, CPU or GPU whilst still keeping the costs down.


oh, i have no doubt about that ps4 will have more of everything, the question is though, will it pack enough of a punch so that wii u wont be getting good ports? the wii got gimped bastard versions, but will wii u suffer the same fate? or will it only have less impressive graphics?


I don't think there's going to be a PS4 until 2015.  I'm just posting it now because I want to have a record of it when I refer back to this post years from now.



d21lewis said:
DanneSandin said:
Scoobes said:
DanneSandin said:
I think it all depends on how powerful next gen consoles will be, but there is no doubt (excluding dellusional Sony fan bo.... Loyalists) that PS4 and Sony is between a rock and a hard place - and those would be WiiU and x3ox. WiiU will be the weakest, but considering sonys weak finances the PS4 can't afford to be too expansive. This will result in PS4 being similar to WiiU in power, but slightly stronger. The x3ox on the other hand could be that beast of a console everyone is expecting. Why? MS's got the money. But this would also mean that 3rd party developers won't utilize x3ox full power since they're gonna port those games over from WiiStation.

I think a lot of people are underestimating the costs of the tablet controller and how that money can be put back into the consoles silicon.

Without the money needed for the unconventional controller, Sony can put a bit more investment into the RAM, CPU or GPU whilst still keeping the costs down.


oh, i have no doubt about that ps4 will have more of everything, the question is though, will it pack enough of a punch so that wii u wont be getting good ports? the wii got gimped bastard versions, but will wii u suffer the same fate? or will it only have less impressive graphics?


I don't think there's going to be a PS4 until 2015.  I'm just posting it now because I want to have a record of it when I refer back to this post years from now.

i always thought 2014,it's interesting you think 2015 i wonder if any agree with you,i'd think microsoft could finish sony off if they put out a decent console a year before sony this time round



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DanneSandin said:
Scoobes said:
DanneSandin said:
I think it all depends on how powerful next gen consoles will be, but there is no doubt (excluding dellusional Sony fan bo.... Loyalists) that PS4 and Sony is between a rock and a hard place - and those would be WiiU and x3ox. WiiU will be the weakest, but considering sonys weak finances the PS4 can't afford to be too expansive. This will result in PS4 being similar to WiiU in power, but slightly stronger. The x3ox on the other hand could be that beast of a console everyone is expecting. Why? MS's got the money. But this would also mean that 3rd party developers won't utilize x3ox full power since they're gonna port those games over from WiiStation.

I think a lot of people are underestimating the costs of the tablet controller and how that money can be put back into the consoles silicon.

Without the money needed for the unconventional controller, Sony can put a bit more investment into the RAM, CPU or GPU whilst still keeping the costs down.


oh, i have no doubt about that ps4 will have more of everything, the question is though, will it pack enough of a punch so that wii u wont be getting good ports? the wii got gimped bastard versions, but will wii u suffer the same fate? or will it only have less impressive graphics?

I think Nintendo have been a bit more intelligent with the WiiU so it should still get half-decent ports regardless of power. They've got a decent enough GPU with modern shader architecture that will make porting a bit easier. If the Wii had a GPU with programmable shaders then I think we would have seen more ports even with the mass power differences.

The main question will be if the CPU will be enough for said ports (this will effect certain genres more than others) or if the RAM will not detrimentally affect RAM heavy games that the likes of Bethesda will want to make. We've already had the lead programmer of 4A complain about the WiiU CPU and that's about game being developed for 360/PS3.

So I think it will depend on the developer and the way they set their engine up but it'll probably require developers a lot of work to port games to WiiU if rumours about the other consoles are to be believed. PS4 and Next Xbox on the other hand will likely share ports fairly easily if the X86 and RAM rumours prove to be true. 



Scoobes said:
ninetailschris said:

sony...nothing but Europe.  Europe isn't going to save Sony.

believe Xbox did good damage to the ps3  and will next gen that too.

sports can easily be taken over by Xbox with some time dlc.

Vita will be the story of ps4 but the ps4 will sell more by a nice number but gone are the days of 100 million or even 70 million probably.

ps4 sounds like a boring console compared to next box and wii-u. It's going to on par of Xbox or weaker anyway so what it's trying to do is irrevalant.

btw next gen games will be made for Xbox not Ps4 ;) 


1. Europe is nearly as big as the American market so at the very least, if one of the console manufacturers can hold onto that market, they'll likely stay afloat.

2. The previous gen is no indicator of how next gen will turn out. If that were the case PS3 would have sold like the Wii. Consumers are a fickle bunch.

3. Sports games will need more marketing and sponserships then timed DLC. Most sports fans won't look into timed DLC that hard, they just want to play.

4. The handheld market and home console market are two very different things and not comparable. Handhelds have been attacked by mobiles and tablets. We've yet to see a similar thing happen in the home console space (could happen with SMART TVs, but I doubt it)

5. We know nothing about the next gen Xbox or PS4 other than rumours, none of which really point to why you'd think the Xbox is going to be more exciting than PS4.

6. If those rumours are to be believed, there will be very little difference between the two consoles and both may even use X86 processors and AMD GPUs meaning it won't really matter if games are made for Xbox or PS4, the ports will be easier to create than they were this gen.


Hard to put it better than this.



Scoobes said:

Sony do have a lot to gain but it really depends on how forward thinking they can be. Part of the reason Microsoft have done so well this gen is because they pushed online early and had a very good infrastructure in place. We can see with the Wii why Ninetndo did so well. Sony ended up playing catch up in both areas whilst Blu-Ray and Cell didn't really give them the edge they hoped for. Unfortunately, I don't see much forward thinking in Vita, they seem to be clinging to old ideas instead of truly competing with tablets and mobiles.

It's not all negative though as I think the Gaikai aquisition is going to play a big part of their strategy next gen. Maybe not immediately but a couple of years in it should start taking off, especially if they can spread it to a wide range of devices.


It is really the fault of blu-ray and the cell being so expensive originally that got sony in this position. I do think Yoshida overseeing things more is a step in the right direction because he is a lot more realistic then Kutaragi was. Sony are in the worst position by potentially being last to market again. But that can also give them an advantage as they learn what microsoft's strategy is going forward. They also have more expirience and have had two sluggish launches to learn from.



One more thing to complete my year = senran kagura localization =D

When companies talk of improvements in Next gen tech, graphics are but one key component of achieving these goals. People fail to look at the bigger picture. Improvements in tech will bring bigger worlds, more complex A.I. , Dynamic environments, higher and smoother average Frames/Second all the while improving the visual fidelity within these worlds.

Take for example a FPS game that dynamically changes the time of day to match your locale, or even the weather. U3 level graphics in a Skyrim sized world at 60FPS and full day/night cycle and weather cycle that mimmicks your locale. Yeah, and that's ideas off the top of my head. The possibilities would be enourmous.



TheFallen said:

Take for example a FPS game that dynamically changes the time of day to match your locale, or even the weather.

Hehe, nice idea, but looking at DayZ mod, where you have just that, your local time, lot of folks were connecting to servers across the pond just to avoid always playing at night (which in that game can really be frustrating).