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ninetailschris on 23 November 2012
pokoko said:
ninetailschris said:
pokoko said:
I think what people need to remember is that there is room for all kinds of tastes in gaming. People tend to forget that and rush to brand things as the "best" when it's all very subjective.

I have very little interest in most Mario games, for example, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest that other people love them. The same with the gamepad controller, very little of what I've seen thus far really grabs me. A few things I like in theory but I haven't seen it used in practice in a way that I feel enhances the gameplay enough to, say, counter-balance the weaker CPU Nintendo went with in order to pay for that touchscreen. And no, I don't care that much about graphics but I do care about the other improvements that higher level components bring to a system. That's just me, though, and my taste in gaming.

However, that in no way means that I don't think the Wii U is perfect for a lot of other people. Nintendo developers can create some awesome games well within the Wii U's limits I have no doubt. I'd even like to have one for some games but it just doesn't offer enough value for me to buy one at this time.

The Wii U is going to be fine even if it doesn't go viral with the casual crowd. It will have it's niche no matter what, which will be cemented by its jump on the competition in terms of release date. While it's true that many Nintendo fanboys bug me with their silly platformer elitism and hyper-defensiveness, I have absolutely nothing against Nintendo.

What I'm hoping for with Sony and the PS4 is that they go the opposite route that Nintendo has taken. What I want from Sony is a traditional gaming machine with an emphasis on innovation through software. I want them to not waste money on tricking out the system with extras at launch but to instead focus on providing the most bang per buck, which would allow the actual games to take center stage.

In most cases, comparing systems isn't really necessary. As was demonstrated by the Wii, the PS3, and the 360, there is more than enough room in gaming for consoles that have a different focus.

You do know that the wii-u game pad cost about 56 dollars to make?

you do realize that Sony is going to try something because of Xbox is having there own device Come with the system which is suppose change the way we game.

if Sony tries to be a generic powerful system Xbox and wii-u will kill it.

Sources, please.  Kinect was supposed to change the way people game and it did not.  You might think people will abandon traditional gaming but I do not.  Judging by this generation, the evidence is on my side.  Unless you're saying Fable: The Journey killed Halo 4?


Look up ign kinect 2  leak documents.

Kinect helped Xbox get more casuals and they control the hardcore market has there third party games sell the best. That was Sony only strength with ps1/2. Xbox proves that they have the hardcore and Sony is just that other console. With the casuals they will become unstoppable. Sony is not popular with kids unlike Nintendo and isn't kng of adults like Xbox so Sony will fail under them both. He'll look at wii sales and Xbox sales they tell us how interested Sony fans are of there games/product. I wouldn't be surprised if it commonly used as a blueray player.



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pokoko on 23 November 2012
ninetailschris said:
Kinect helped Xbox get more casuals and they control the hardcore market has there third party games sell the best. That was Sony only strength with ps1/2. Xbox proves that they have the hardcore and Sony is just that other console. With the casuals they will become unstoppable. Sony is not popular with kids unlike Nintendo and isn't kng of adults like Xbox so Sony will fail under them both. He'll look at wii sales and Xbox sales they tell us how interested Sony fans are of there games/product. I wouldn't be surprised if it commonly used as a blueray player.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're saying.  Are you talking about software attach rate?  You do know that, even after the PS3's awful start, it's attach rate is pretty close to that of the 360, right?

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33485/Analysis_US_Software_Attach_Rates_For_Xbox_360_PS3_Reveal_HD_Console_Trends.php#.UK_jRTNsKTA

And of course the PS3 has a much higher rate for Fighting/Sports games, no need to post that.  I think you're letting your love for your favorite console interfer with your logic centers.  Games on both the PS3 and 360 sell very well.  Trying to manufacture some perspective where one doesn't sell software is kind of silly.



cyberninja45 on 23 November 2012

If I had to guess the life time sales of wiiU it would be best case scenario 60-70 million, worst case scenario it ends up being another gamecube, as for the other console makers when they reveal their devices then we will know where everybody stands.



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bouzane on 23 November 2012
ninetailschris said:
pokoko said:
I think what people need to remember is that there is room for all kinds of tastes in gaming. People tend to forget that and rush to brand things as the "best" when it's all very subjective.

I have very little interest in most Mario games, for example, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest that other people love them. The same with the gamepad controller, very little of what I've seen thus far really grabs me. A few things I like in theory but I haven't seen it used in practice in a way that I feel enhances the gameplay enough to, say, counter-balance the weaker CPU Nintendo went with in order to pay for that touchscreen. And no, I don't care that much about graphics but I do care about the other improvements that higher level components bring to a system. That's just me, though, and my taste in gaming.

However, that in no way means that I don't think the Wii U is perfect for a lot of other people. Nintendo developers can create some awesome games well within the Wii U's limits I have no doubt. I'd even like to have one for some games but it just doesn't offer enough value for me to buy one at this time.

The Wii U is going to be fine even if it doesn't go viral with the casual crowd. It will have it's niche no matter what, which will be cemented by its jump on the competition in terms of release date. While it's true that many Nintendo fanboys bug me with their silly platformer elitism and hyper-defensiveness, I have absolutely nothing against Nintendo.

What I'm hoping for with Sony and the PS4 is that they go the opposite route that Nintendo has taken. What I want from Sony is a traditional gaming machine with an emphasis on innovation through software. I want them to not waste money on tricking out the system with extras at launch but to instead focus on providing the most bang per buck, which would allow the actual games to take center stage.

In most cases, comparing systems isn't really necessary. As was demonstrated by the Wii, the PS3, and the 360, there is more than enough room in gaming for consoles that have a different focus.

You do know that the wii-u game pad cost about 56 dollars to make?

you do realize that Sony is going to try something because of Xbox is having there own device Come with the system which is suppose change the way we game.

if Sony tries to be a generic powerful system Xbox and wii-u will kill it.


I don't know how many people share the same opinion but I'll buy the least gimmicky 8th generation console first.



cyberninja45 on 23 November 2012
bouzane said:
ninetailschris said:
pokoko said:
I think what people need to remember is that there is room for all kinds of tastes in gaming. People tend to forget that and rush to brand things as the "best" when it's all very subjective.

I have very little interest in most Mario games, for example, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest that other people love them. The same with the gamepad controller, very little of what I've seen thus far really grabs me. A few things I like in theory but I haven't seen it used in practice in a way that I feel enhances the gameplay enough to, say, counter-balance the weaker CPU Nintendo went with in order to pay for that touchscreen. And no, I don't care that much about graphics but I do care about the other improvements that higher level components bring to a system. That's just me, though, and my taste in gaming.

However, that in no way means that I don't think the Wii U is perfect for a lot of other people. Nintendo developers can create some awesome games well within the Wii U's limits I have no doubt. I'd even like to have one for some games but it just doesn't offer enough value for me to buy one at this time.

The Wii U is going to be fine even if it doesn't go viral with the casual crowd. It will have it's niche no matter what, which will be cemented by its jump on the competition in terms of release date. While it's true that many Nintendo fanboys bug me with their silly platformer elitism and hyper-defensiveness, I have absolutely nothing against Nintendo.

What I'm hoping for with Sony and the PS4 is that they go the opposite route that Nintendo has taken. What I want from Sony is a traditional gaming machine with an emphasis on innovation through software. I want them to not waste money on tricking out the system with extras at launch but to instead focus on providing the most bang per buck, which would allow the actual games to take center stage.

In most cases, comparing systems isn't really necessary. As was demonstrated by the Wii, the PS3, and the 360, there is more than enough room in gaming for consoles that have a different focus.

You do know that the wii-u game pad cost about 56 dollars to make?

you do realize that Sony is going to try something because of Xbox is having there own device Come with the system which is suppose change the way we game.

if Sony tries to be a generic powerful system Xbox and wii-u will kill it.


I don't know how many people share the same opinion but I'll buy the least gimmicky 8th generation console first.


But will you buy the least  gimmicky console in the 8th gen if its only marginally more powerful than 360 or ps3?



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bouzane on 23 November 2012

@cyberninja45

The less powerful the hardware, the less expensive and the more developer friendly it is. I will only buy the least gimmicky 8th gen console first if it is marginally more powerful, otherwise I would have a more difficult decision.



Paul on 23 November 2012


I don't get that people don't get the tablet controller. Tablets are the way of the future. The future is now on the wii u.

Posted from my wii u tablet.

Now back to the definitive version of blops 2.



zuvuyeay on 23 November 2012

8th gen,the real battle of the loyalists

vgc isn't dead yet



                                                                                                                                        Above & Beyond

   

Mr Khan on 23 November 2012
zuvuyeay said:
8th gen,the real battle of the loyalists

vgc isn't dead yet

If anything, VGC is on its way back to the glory days

All we need to do is attract some new quality posters



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ninetailschris on 23 November 2012
pokoko said:
ninetailschris said:
Kinect helped Xbox get more casuals and they control the hardcore market has there third party games sell the best. That was Sony only strength with ps1/2. Xbox proves that they have the hardcore and Sony is just that other console. With the casuals they will become unstoppable. Sony is not popular with kids unlike Nintendo and isn't kng of adults like Xbox so Sony will fail under them both. He'll look at wii sales and Xbox sales they tell us how interested Sony fans are of there games/product. I wouldn't be surprised if it commonly used as a blueray player.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what you're saying.  Are you talking about software attach rate?  You do know that, even after the PS3's awful start, it's attach rate is pretty close to that of the 360, right?

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33485/Analysis_US_Software_Attach_Rates_For_Xbox_360_PS3_Reveal_HD_Console_Trends.php#.UK_jRTNsKTA

And of course the PS3 has a much higher rate for Fighting/Sports games, no need to post that.  I think you're letting your love for your favorite console interfer with your logic centers.  Games on both the PS3 and 360 sell very well.  Trying to manufacture some perspective where one doesn't sell software is kind of silly.


Attach rate means nothing if doesn't do anything for your hardware look vita.

xbox kills Sony in America.

nintendo all three ATM.

sony...nothing but Europe.

believe Xbox did good damage to the ps3  and will next gen that too.

Europe isn't going to save Sony.

Fighting games have become in irrelevant in sales. Don't even make a quarter.

sports can easily be taken over by Xbox with some time dlc.

Knowing Microsoft they will sell there Xbox cheaper than the ps4 and take a lost so they can higher market share.

ps4 will not take huge lost.

xbox is working on casual market.

sony is closing studios while Nintendo and Microsoft haven't had to.

sony is going third trying to hide behind attachments isn't going to save it.

Japan is going to drop the ps4 faster than a bad cold. They don't even make Japanese games anymore and wii-u will me more than enough for what the Japanese developers can afford to do. 

Vita will be the story of ps4 but the ps4 will sell more by a nice number but gone are the days of 100 million or even 70 million probably.

next gen will be Xbox vs wiiu in sales while ps4 fights vita.

;)

ps4 sounds like a boring console compared to next box and wii-u. It's going to on par of Xbox or weaker anyway so what it's trying to do is irrevalant.

btw next gen games will be made for Xbox not Ps4 ;) 

 



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