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lilbroex said:
Chark said:
lilbroex said:
Chark said:
@ lilbroex

Honestly I think your own bias has clouded your perception of negative articles on gaming companies and platforms. Which is something that most of us are subject to.


I have no bias on the issue. I'm simply calling it as I see it.

How can you claim my percerption is clouded? What is clouded about it? Your statement lacks any substance. Please, expalin.

Well it is a little off the orginal topic but since there seems to be widespread opinion that the "hate" is stronger for Wii U than other consoles it is hard to take anything without just writing it off as individual speculation. What would be nice is an actually objective analyzis, pulling articles about each company and their hardwares to quanitify their negativity and positivity and do an actual comparison.

In your OP you never even linked examples to create any substance in your own thread. Are there really "hate" articles or only valid criticisms?


I would imagine that one would have actually read most of these articles before posting under this subject. I do not see the need to repost them. All that is needed is for general media feed regarding Nintendo to be compared to the feed regarding Sony and/or Micrsoft.

This site itself is a good exmaple. There is new news coming out regarding the Wii U daily, but the last article to be posted was a negative rumor and all articles before that were either horrible analaysis from Patcher or more negative rumors. On the other hand with all that is going wrong with Vita, this news site has never posted a single negative article about Vita, yet pure basic commentariies and pruchasing deals pop up repeatedly.

I do not see the need for anyone to take my word for it. There is plenty of evidence about anywhere if you've actually looked. It would be difficult if not impossible to find news that slanted in other direction unless it came from a Nintendo fan site.

Not everyone has seen the articles you have and without implicit examples there isn't much to work with in discussion. What even qualifies as a negative article? I just have to wonder why this wasn't just a simple question asked in the official nintendo thread though increasing threads and entertaining topics I expected more substance when I read the topic of discussion. Essentially I bring up a request for examples because from my viewpoint the Wii U isn't receiving any more hate from the media than anyone else and that many articles are reasonable concerns about the system.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

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Chark
Well you just said the Vita is getting more hate
from my experience on different forums and professional webs this is false, actually its completely the oposite
the WiiU is getting doom and gloom articles from day one from every nonNintendo site
that didnt happen with the Vita, not at all
im not going to spend hours searching for the links to articles and forums......:P



Media mainstream... For some people nintendo is like that sweater grandma gives you every December... If I am home alone I would not use anything else, but in public no way I am wearing that outdated, kiddy thing...



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DieAppleDie said:
Chark
Well you just said the Vita is getting more hate
from my experience on different forums and professional webs this is false, actually its completely the oposite
the WiiU is getting doom and gloom articles from day one from every nonNintendo site
that didnt happen with the Vita, not at all
im not going to spend hours searching for the links to articles and forums......:P


This isn't a thread about Vita hate, but Wii U hate not making any sense but then molding into the media putting out more hate articles about it than other platforms. It's fine if you or others don't want to find the articles, but why is there a thread for this then? It is near impossible to objectively debate a point without understanding the context or evidence on the other side. I don't think the Wii U hate is that bad, so I want to try to flesh it out but there is nothing to work with. Is this thread only for people to agree with the OP? What's the purpose of it?



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

i wouldnt call it hate
deep misconfidence is the right word
the point of the OP is what it is, we can argue about the hate(misconfidence) being logical or not...its very simple
also no one brought the Vita but you...:P



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I am 33 years old so this whole Nintendo hate thing isn't new to me. I was in my early 20's when the Gamecube launched. That entire system was mocked non stop by the PS2 and Xbox crowed for being too "kiddy" etc. The N64 was also considered lame by the gaming community. If you didn't have a Playstation, you were a nerd or a loser. Mario wasn't cool again until the Wii, so if the Wii-U goes down that path, it won't bother me.

As long as Nintendo sells enough games and systems to stay in business, I could care less what people say.




Hey, I dont think Nintendos audience is a bad thing! Good on them.

But you're just not going to get the fight vs. the critics.

I'm not sure why nintendo players get all defensive when we talk about their user base.

Chark said

Not everyone has seen the articles you have and without implicit examples there isn't much to work with in discussion. What even qualifies as a negative article?  Essentially I bring up a request for examples because from my viewpoint the Wii U isn't receiving any more hate from the media than anyone else and that many articles are reasonable concerns about the system.

Reasonable concern is fine, but there has been negativity seemingly spun against Nintendo and the WiiU.  The Eurogamer article was the most recent:

In a previous post I mentioned G4 and Spike TV's behavior during E3.  Most people would agree that Nintendo's press conference was disappointing, but G4 didn't have a single "close up" feature on any WiiU games like they did for most of the other games of E3, save for a couple of very brief mentions from the show floor on Mario and Rayman.  No ZombiU, no Project P-100, no Pikmin 3... and when they did discuss the console during interviews with press, etc, it was met with criticism instead of objectivity from the hosts; as if it was "cool" and better for their image to dismiss the console.

Pachter is another example, but, let's face it, most of us don't take that guy seriously anyway. 

But Gamesindustry.biz has also been seemingly negative.  Back in April they ran the article saying that annonymous developers claimed that WiiU wasn't as powerful as the current gen consoles, which is completely fine to report on, as it is indeed news.  However, did they mention anything in the article about other known developers (such as Gearbox) who have stated the contrary?  Nope.  Even in the comments for said article (which consists of their members who are people in the industry such as devs, media, etc) people were expressing their concerns on why GI.biz would do this.  They did later acknowledge 5th Cell's statement that WiiU is more powerful, however, so that's something at least.

It just seems like some (not all) of the media gets more hits when they speak negatively about WiiU instead of being objective and reporting on the positives as well.  Regarding the Vita, I do remember one specific article/video from CNET that made me sick:  Before it's NA release, they stated that because of the state of the handheld market, "Vita probably won't even release in NA".  Yeah...



@ DieAppleDie

People mentioned other consoles for comparison or indicated that it was only Nintendo receiving negativism. I realize my statement didn't bring anything to the table other than to contradict that kind of opinion but have since felt this topic should be looked into. I don't have the time to do so right now since I'm getting ready to move but a nice analysis of gaming media articles could really put some weight to the claim.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

archbrix said:
Squilliam said:

The features of the WIi U are major unknowns at this point. Nintendo felt that the 3D in the 3DS was a worthwhile feature as well, however it didn't let them maintain their launch price for very long. I wouldn't count on unknown features and besides the best feature of the Wii U is likely brand and reputation.

How happy are you with PS1 level graphics? People were very happy with that too. I don't think that anyone is going to say no to better graphics at a similar price. Noone would buy a PS1 or PS2 for the same price as a PS3 so obviously visuals are a factor. People bought the Wii inspite of the lack of visual fidelity because it offered something unique which drew people in. What the WIi U offers is not nearly as unique as the WIi and half of the functionality will be copied with the Xbox 360 smart glass at or before launch.

I'm not talking about unknown features; I'm referring to the ones we do know.  Being able to stream your game to the controller to free up the TV... and back again on the fly.  Asymmetrical gameplay where one person uses the gamepad and effects the TV gameplay for other players.  Of course these things will not hold up if innovative ideas aren't there for them, but the point is they haven't been done before.  Furthermore, I think you may be putting too much faith in Smartglass' capabilities.  Can you display a full-fledged console game on the TV and a tablet simultaneously like the Zelda HD from E3 2011?  Can you even stream a full 360 game for play on a tablet at all?  So far, we've only seen the most basic functionality in common on Smartglass; play-calling in Madden, map screens... "half of the functionality" being shared between Smartglass and WiiU is a bit of a stretch to say the least.  And that's to say nothing of the fact that every WiiU owner will have this functionality so all games made for it can take advantage of this.


What is the point in freeing up the TV when you're in the same room as the TV? Most households by the time this becomes relevant will be able to free the TV regardless by streaming TV to their tablet or laptop. The PS VIta can do this too and that is a really popular and successful platform, it can even free up the TV and you don't even have to be in the same room.

Asymmetrical gameplay has not been proved to be enticing. You can't count these until they are hatched.



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