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Player1x3 on 09 August 2012

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Player1x3 on 09 August 2012
Runa216 said:
yet another fully horrible example as to WHY I hate religion at its core.




happydolphin on 09 August 2012
trasharmdsister12 said:


This is all I ever feel I can add to a discussion on this topic. It says everything I could ever hope to say and does so with beauty that I can't begin to articulate.

Here, the over-dramatisation of an issue that is already heavily dramatized. How does it help?

Wouldn't it be more helpful, in a generally anti-christian society, to dramatize the other side so as to give people a more balanced view? What is going on in the father and mother in that movie, what is their side of the story?



KungKras on 09 August 2012
neerdowell said:

Have any of you stopped to really compare what you're saying to what this father is saying. His ideals place God above everything and most of yours place caring/love/family above everything else. This man does not correspond to your ideals so you label him pathetic/shameful and mention he will be filled with regret in his later years. Then to top this off, you label him a hypocrite.

Who gave any of you this infallible insight on what it means to be a moral being? The same fault, assuming it is a fault, that leads this man to disown his own son is the same fault that leads that leads any of you to label a view contrary to your own as disgraceful.

Personally, I feel the matter is best left between the father and his son and I'm not really going to judge one side or the other. It seems to me that while both sides have different views they have both thought it out and are standing by their beliefs, more than I can say for many.

The best definition we have for morality is actions and principles that increase human well-being, and reduce human suffering.

If you want to champion some other type definition of morality, fine, but it won't be as efficient in the real world as mine.



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Dark_Lord_2008 on 09 August 2012

We all have choices in life that we make of our own free will. Both the father and the son made their choices in life. It is sad to hear the father has disowned his son.



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KungKras on 09 August 2012
Marks said:
I wouldn't disown my kid if he was gay, but I certaintly wouldn't be proud of his lifestyle (choice).

People don't choose their sexuality.



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KungKras on 09 August 2012
Immortal said:
Given that we are getting an entirely one-sided perspective on the argument and that there is probably a whole lot of background to this that we obviously can't know, I think you guys are being unfairly judgmental. I can't seriously condone the general notion of a father abandoning his son like this, but the mere fact that the son decided to put something so personal on the internet as a way to show how "evil" his father is really degrades any argument he may have been trying to make about family relationships.
Honestly, respect should go both ways; the father should not have restricted his son's freedom this way, but the son should also have considered altering his own lifestyle if his father disapproved of it this much.

Sexuality does not equal lifestyle.



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KungKras on 09 August 2012
happydolphin said:
Player1x3 said:

It still wasn't a hateful letter and he doesn't hate his son. Also, thinking something is wrong doesn't always mean you hate it

@bold. Yeah, but when it comes to the point of disowning, it's because the parent hates the lifestyle or choice of the child, no matter what that may be. It goes without saying.

Sexuality =/= lifestyle



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Player1x3 on 09 August 2012

Sexuality obviously has a lot of influence on one's lifestyle



happydolphin on 09 August 2012
KungKras said:
happydolphin said:
Player1x3 said:

It still wasn't a hateful letter and he doesn't hate his son. Also, thinking something is wrong doesn't always mean you hate it

@bold. Yeah, but when it comes to the point of disowning, it's because the parent hates the lifestyle or choice of the child, no matter what that may be. It goes without saying.

Sexuality =/= lifestyle

You completely missed the point of my post. Did you even care to read it or just came in to correct all occurence of lifestyle with "Sexuality =/= lifestyle"?

To make the question even more difficult, is belief == lifestyle? Where do you draw the line?

I know for a fact that a race is absolutely not chosen and is not something one can choose to follow through on. I can't say the same about neither religion nor sexual orientation.