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Heavenly_King said:
VGchartz is trolling GOW fans, or so it seems.

We all now that GOWIII should be around 5M or a bit more, so really I dont care about the sales of GOW games on this site anymore, after being witness of all the debacle surrounding them.


Yep! you are correct! VGChartz hates GoW and it's fans. Oh, and guess what, they're going to try and kill you now because you are a GoW fan so watch out because VGChartz clearly hates GoW fans, clearly without any doubt.



Food for thought: Shove an apple in your brain

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They probably adjusted it based on the numbers, then got back from Sony a clarification on what said numbers meant and as such switched them back.

Seems like the most logical conclusion.

My god the stupid conspiracy theroies.  Ioi has a grudge against god of war?

Why?

Was he a Greek mythology major?



pezus said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
kitler53 said:
AndrewWK said:
kitler53 said:
JustThatGamer said:

God of War III, God of War: Chains of Olympus and God of War Collection have been adjusted back to their pre-adjusted numbers when we know God of War III was hugely undertracked and the other two were slightly overtracked due to them being available digitally and Vgchartz can't/doesn't track digital sales. I'm assuming that these games reverting back to the pre-adjusted figures was a mistake on Vgchartz behalf so I thought I'd make this thread to bring it to the staff's attention.


i'm not sure i fully follow what you said but...

we don't track digital.  vgc adjusted halo 3 and i think alan wake to not include digital sales.  ergo we shouldn't here either to be consistant.  when sony or whoever gives numbers they often give a combined number meaning vgc numbers will look undertracked for games availible digitally also. 

so in short, as ps360 have started to get into digital, vita has fully embraced digital, and soon wii U, ps4, xboxNext will follow suit ... vgc's numbers will quickly go from sketchy to irrelevant. 

Is there even a digital version of God of War 3?

i think so, i don't know for sure but most sony first party is.  didn't they launch GoW 3 along side GoW 1 and 2 and chains of olympus and ghost of sparta?

I doubt anyone would download a 30+ gigabyte game even if it was available....which it is not...

I would lol

What PS3 do you have? 250 GB?



pezus said:
AndrewWK said:
pezus said:

I would lol

What PS3 do you have? 250 GB?

Yes, indeed. Still got around 90GB free with close to a hundred demos + PSN games + full PS3 games.


Lucky you I just have 60 GB and its already full.



Why is it always Sony games that are undertracked?



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

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Kasz216 said:

They probably adjusted it based on the numbers, then got back from Sony a clarification on what said numbers meant and as such switched them back.

Seems like the most logical conclusion.

My god the stupid conspiracy theroies.  Ioi has a grudge against god of war?

Why?

Was he a Greek mythology major?

I do agree the conspiracy theories are stupid... but the removal of the adjustment was definitely an error.

Based on the shipped numbers, GoW III had around 200k on shelves after the adjustment. Now after the adjustment was removed, it has about 800k on shelves, which is not very likely for a 2 year old game, I suppose.

To clarify, VGC adjusted Up based on shipped numbers, but the adjustment was removed due to a site error. Thats the only logical explaination I guess. It would help if a staff member would confirm whats going on.



Fusioncode said:
Why is it always Sony games that are undertracked?

Because those games sell better in regions that are incredibly hard to track.



GodOfWar_3ever said:
Kasz216 said:

They probably adjusted it based on the numbers, then got back from Sony a clarification on what said numbers meant and as such switched them back.

Seems like the most logical conclusion.

My god the stupid conspiracy theroies.  Ioi has a grudge against god of war?

Why?

Was he a Greek mythology major?

I do agree the conspiracy theories are stupid... but the removal of the adjustment was definitely an error.

Based on the shipped numbers, GoW III had around 200k on shelves after the adjustment. Now after the adjustment was removed, it has about 800k on shelves, which is not very likely for a 2 year old game, I suppose.

To clarify, VGC adjusted Up based on shipped numbers, but the adjustment was removed due to a site error. Thats the only logical explaination I guess. It would help if a staff member would confirm whats going on.


Or... like I said, Sony clarified what those numbers meant, and they adjusted it back.

A) Just because something has been shipped but not sold, doesn't mean that stuff is still on the shelf.   There are tons of things that could be unknown.

B) Looking at the regional numbers.

200K In the US/canada actually seems pretty reasonable.  GoW 3 is one of those "window" games, that you see in every store despite being 2 years old.  You go in a target or a walmart, they don't have half the new game!  They have GoW 3 though.  This is really beleivable if this contains south american numbers as well.

Japan 417,000 vs 120,000.   That really depends on the initial shipment.  If the initial shipment was 417,000.  That's totally believable.  They thought they'd be able to hype this one through, and it just didn't work.

Europe/others is the only one that'd look "iffy" but I don't really know enough about Europeon stores, they seem more fractured then the US, and with so many distributors it's not as unlikely as you'd think.  Espiecally for a "storefront" game.

Or for that matter, what their agreements are like.  For example.  In the book industry, books are sold on cosignment in the US.  If you can't sell a book?  You can return it to the publisher within 6 months.  (And they'll still count those books as shipped.)

So for example, Sony could of at some point really wanted to make sure GoW3 would be in stock, offered a limited return plan.  Got some returns, then resold those game, allowing them to count twice.  Afterall they are using the term "Sell in".

Could be a bug, or it could just make a lot more sense then you'd think based on unknown information.

No way to tell really.



Kasz216 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Kasz216 said:

They probably adjusted it based on the numbers, then got back from Sony a clarification on what said numbers meant and as such switched them back.

Seems like the most logical conclusion.

My god the stupid conspiracy theroies.  Ioi has a grudge against god of war?

Why?

Was he a Greek mythology major?

I do agree the conspiracy theories are stupid... but the removal of the adjustment was definitely an error.

Based on the shipped numbers, GoW III had around 200k on shelves after the adjustment. Now after the adjustment was removed, it has about 800k on shelves, which is not very likely for a 2 year old game, I suppose.

To clarify, VGC adjusted Up based on shipped numbers, but the adjustment was removed due to a site error. Thats the only logical explaination I guess. It would help if a staff member would confirm whats going on.


Or... like I said, Sony clarified what those numbers meant, and they adjusted it back.

A) Just because something has been shipped but not sold, doesn't mean that stuff is still on the shelf.   There are tons of things that could be unknown.

B) Looking at the regional numbers.

200K In the US/canada actually seems pretty reasonable.  GoW 3 is one of those "window" games, that you see in every store despite being 2 years old.  You go in a target or a walmart, they don't have half the new game!  They have GoW 3 though.  This is really beleivable if this contains south american numbers as well.

Japan 417,000 vs 120,000.   That really depends on the initial shipment.  If the initial shipment was 417,000.  That's totally believable.  They thought they'd be able to hype this one through, and it just didn't work.

Europe/others is the only one that'd look "iffy" but I don't really know enough about Europeon stores, they seem more fractured then the US, and with so many distributors it's not as unlikely as you'd think.  Espiecally for a "storefront" game.

Or for that matter, what their agreements are like.  For example.  In the book industry, books are sold on cosignment in the US.  If you can't sell a book?  You can return it to the publisher within 6 months.  (And they'll still count those books as shipped.)

So for example, Sony could of at some point really wanted to make sure GoW3 would be in stock, offered a limited return plan.  Got some returns, then resold those game, allowing them to count twice.  Afterall they are using the term "Sell in".

Could be a bug, or it could just make a lot more sense then you'd think based on unknown information.

No way to tell really.

Haha...theres nothing to "clarify" genius... They're shipped numbers, as they always are.

Theres a lot wrong here... I'll point some things out.

The american sales are out of the picture here. They weren't adjusted at ALL. Even after the shipped numbers came in. And you are right, there are 200k copies of GoW III sitting on the shelves just in North America.

417,000 was NOT in Japan. You are totally wrong about that. They're Japan + ASIA sales. And apparently God of War III was pretty darn big in mainland Asia. 

And guess what ? The adjustments happened in Europe and "Others" where Vgchartz tracking is weakest. So its an error which caused the adjustment to be removed, that much is clear. And out of that only 30k was in "Others" and 500k in Europe.

So if these numbers we have right now are correct, then Vgchartz were right all along about God of War III sales ? Even the European numbers ? Is that what you're saying ?

There is something obviously wrong here...maybe Vgchartz are figuring out the exact amount they should adjust GoW III up...Maybe the previous upward adjustment was a little too high ? I don't know..thats for the sales staff to decide

btw, God of War III sales have wildly exceeded your expectations, even at these pretty low numbers (compared to shipped figures), haven't they ? I remember you predicting something under 3 million :P



GodOfWar_3ever said:
Kasz216 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Kasz216 said:

They probably adjusted it based on the numbers, then got back from Sony a clarification on what said numbers meant and as such switched them back.

Seems like the most logical conclusion.

My god the stupid conspiracy theroies.  Ioi has a grudge against god of war?

Why?

Was he a Greek mythology major?

I do agree the conspiracy theories are stupid... but the removal of the adjustment was definitely an error.

Based on the shipped numbers, GoW III had around 200k on shelves after the adjustment. Now after the adjustment was removed, it has about 800k on shelves, which is not very likely for a 2 year old game, I suppose.

To clarify, VGC adjusted Up based on shipped numbers, but the adjustment was removed due to a site error. Thats the only logical explaination I guess. It would help if a staff member would confirm whats going on.


Or... like I said, Sony clarified what those numbers meant, and they adjusted it back.

A) Just because something has been shipped but not sold, doesn't mean that stuff is still on the shelf.   There are tons of things that could be unknown.

B) Looking at the regional numbers.

200K In the US/canada actually seems pretty reasonable.  GoW 3 is one of those "window" games, that you see in every store despite being 2 years old.  You go in a target or a walmart, they don't have half the new game!  They have GoW 3 though.  This is really beleivable if this contains south american numbers as well.

Japan 417,000 vs 120,000.   That really depends on the initial shipment.  If the initial shipment was 417,000.  That's totally believable.  They thought they'd be able to hype this one through, and it just didn't work.

Europe/others is the only one that'd look "iffy" but I don't really know enough about Europeon stores, they seem more fractured then the US, and with so many distributors it's not as unlikely as you'd think.  Espiecally for a "storefront" game.

Or for that matter, what their agreements are like.  For example.  In the book industry, books are sold on cosignment in the US.  If you can't sell a book?  You can return it to the publisher within 6 months.  (And they'll still count those books as shipped.)

So for example, Sony could of at some point really wanted to make sure GoW3 would be in stock, offered a limited return plan.  Got some returns, then resold those game, allowing them to count twice.  Afterall they are using the term "Sell in".

Could be a bug, or it could just make a lot more sense then you'd think based on unknown information.

No way to tell really.

Haha...theres nothing to "clarify" genius... They're shipped numbers, as they always are.

Theres a lot wrong here... I'll point some things out.

The american sales are out of the picture here. They weren't adjusted at ALL. Even after the shipped numbers came in. And you are right, there are 200k copies of GoW III sitting on the shelves just in North America.

417,000 was NOT in Japan. You are totally wrong about that. They're Japan + ASIA sales. And apparently God of War III was pretty darn big in mainland Asia. 

And guess what ? The adjustments happened in Europe and "Others" where Vgchartz tracking is weakest. So its an error which caused the adjustment to be removed, that much is clear. And out of that only 30k was in "Others" and 500k in Europe.

So if these numbers we have right now are correct, then Vgchartz were right all along about God of War III sales ? Even the European numbers ? Is that what you're saying ?

There is something obviously wrong here...maybe Vgchartz are figuring out the exact amount they should adjust GoW III up...Maybe the previous upward adjustment was a little too high ? I don't know..thats for the sales staff to decide

btw, God of War III sales have wildly exceeded your expectations, even at these pretty low numbers (compared to shipped figures), haven't they ? I remember you predicting something under 3 million :P

I was pretty sure Sony Japan only covered Japan and the rest of asia was covered in SOE.  Did that change?

As for what I predicted.  Couldn't say, don't remember.  If I had to guess i believe  I thought it'd sell less then GoW2, since another legacy game was on pace to sell less then it's most popular PS2 generation number.   Though i don't think i put a number to it, i rarely do.

Either way dude, your freaking out and jumping to conclusions over nothing.  You may be right... you may not.

Though I suppose looking at the screen name it's a bit much to ask for impartiality.