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Chibi.V.29 on 29 October 2010

I have nothing against the conservatives but i cant stand us having a colation :/ its fine for know but all we need is for the uk to start arguing with itself.



Yeah i know my spelling sucks but im dysgraphic so live with it :3    

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Hephaestos on 29 October 2010
richardhutnik said:
Hephaestos said:
Fumanchu said:

 

There you go. Despite how much moralizing one wants to do about people breaking the rules, it comes back to people afraid for their very livelihood.  When the economic times are real good, and people work and feel secure, there is less concerns with immigrants coming in.  When the bottom falls out, you see what is described in that film happening.  People feel their lives are at stake.  This threat, on the conservative side, can be beyond the material here and now.  The belief is foreignors come in, bring different values that can undermine and destroy the social fabric of a country, and thus threaten the ability to make a living.  Again, the heart of the real reason for hating illegal immigrants.

well the most common baby name in the UK is now mohammed... talk about cultural invasion... (article a few days ago... it actually is oliver if you count all the oli, olli .....)



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oldschoolfool on 31 October 2010

I'm against illegal immigration in the sense of criminals crossing the border,If it's just the average immigrat trying to better themselve's,then no I can't argue that. lol



HappySqurriel on 31 October 2010
oldschoolfool said:

I'm against illegal immigration in the sense of criminals crossing the border,If it's just the average immigrat trying to better themselve's,then no I can't argue that. lol


That is the whole point of having an immigration system and a controlled border. You have the choice of who is immigrating to your country and you can (effectively) prevent criminals (or other undesirable individuals) from moving to your country. In its current form, the US/Mexico border allows for the importation of criminals and sexual slaves but does little of individuals who want to have a better life; because an illegal immigrant can't take full advantage of the system because they lack the most basic of rights.

Create a secure border and then have a discussion about increasing immigration.



SnesTea on 31 October 2010
TheRealMafoo said:

dude are you drunk posting? :)

You think Conservatives feel they will get shafted in an Emergency Room if we have to many illegal aliens? Sorry, but that's not it. The only concern they have with respect to medical is cost.

The real problem they have with it, is conservatives don't like the federal government breaking the law on anything. To be the one in charge of enforcing something, anything, and then say "we don't like that law, so we will do nothing about it" pisses off people who want to live in a country of laws.

People who care about the rule of law tend to be conservatives.


Whatever he says, I agree with because TheRealMafoo knows what he is talking about.



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PS3beats360 on 01 November 2010

Hard line stance on illegal immigrants flows back to Conservatives love to fear, hate and scapegoat anyone who does not fit in their ideal image as an average citizen. Us versus them mentality.

The British National Party under the leadership of Nick Griffin pushes hating of illegal immigrants to the extreme. The British National Party has ultra social conservative policies/views. Racism, bigotry and homophobia are in the British National Party DNA. 

Conservatives have hard line views on homosexuals, women, immigrants, hippies, environmentalists and pacifists. Conservatives love to stereotype and label people. Ignorance is part of being a conservative. Conservatives love to hate and attack soft targets. 

Hating of illegal immigrants is racism/prejudice. Immigrants who are asylum seekers can often a lot of benefits to a new country in regards to new business, skills, finance and culture. Illegal immigrants may well be terrorists or fugitives on the run because that is how they are depicted in Hollywood movies. Most of the illegal immigrants are innocent people without papers fleeing a brutal regime. 

Illegal immigrants are willing to do any job in order to survive. They will work for lower wages  and  they will not complain about poor working conditions. Farms, factories and fishing industry, etc are safe harbours for illegal immigrant workers.



whatever on 01 November 2010
TheRealMafoo said:

dude are you drunk posting? :)

You think Conservatives feel they will get shafted in an Emergency Room if we have to many illegal aliens? Sorry, but that's not it. The only concern they have with respect to medical is cost.

The real problem they have with it, is conservatives don't like the federal government breaking the law on anything. To be the one in charge of enforcing something, anything, and then say "we don't like that law, so we will do nothing about it" pisses off people who want to live in a country of laws.

People who care about the rule of law tend to be conservatives.

That's a ridiculous generalization.  It just depends on the laws we are talking about.  Conservatives generally supported the Patriot Act, the (undeclared by Congress) war in Iraq, the torture of prisoners, and warrantless wiretaps.



TheRealMafoo on 01 November 2010
whatever said:
TheRealMafoo said:

People who care about the rule of law tend to be conservatives.

That's a ridiculous generalization.  It just depends on the laws we are talking about.  Conservatives generally supported the Patriot Act, the (undeclared by Congress) war in Iraq, the torture of prisoners, and warrantless wiretaps.

No, Republicans do. Conservative and Republican are not the same thing.

Ron Paul is a conservative, and I don't think he supports any of those things.



TheRealMafoo on 01 November 2010
PS3beats360 said:

Hard line stance on illegal immigrants flows back to Conservatives love to fear, hate and scapegoat anyone who does not fit in their ideal image as an average citizen. Us versus them mentality.

Conservatives have hard line views on homosexuals, women, immigrants, hippies, environmentalists and pacifists. Conservatives love to stereotype and label people. Ignorance is part of being a conservative. Conservatives love to hate and attack soft targets. 


Please learn the Political ideologies before you post.

The religious right is the group that tends to meet the stereotype your talking about, although most don't fit into your view of them.

Conservatives are the party of small government. This means while some of them might have the same views as you posted, they don't feel it's the governments place to dictate morality.

As for the first paragraph, that's just wrong. I am sure if there was a way to get 100,000 immigrants a day into this country legally, most people would not have a problem with it.

One of the groups of people who have a high percentage of dislike for illegal aliens, are legal aliens. How do you map that fact into your world view?



PS3beats360 on 01 November 2010
whatever said:
TheRealMafoo said:

dude are you drunk posting? :)

You think Conservatives feel they will get shafted in an Emergency Room if we have to many illegal aliens? Sorry, but that's not it. The only concern they have with respect to medical is cost.

The real problem they have with it, is conservatives don't like the federal government breaking the law on anything. To be the one in charge of enforcing something, anything, and then say "we don't like that law, so we will do nothing about it" pisses off people who want to live in a country of laws.

People who care about the rule of law tend to be conservatives.

That's a ridiculous generalization.  It just depends on the laws we are talking about.  Conservatives generally supported the Patriot Act, the (undeclared by Congress) war in Iraq, the torture of prisoners, and warrantless wiretaps.

Water Gate!!! Nixon's wire tapping was ahead of his times. Wire tapping and is used by most police services in the modern word. Gestapo/Stasi style policing is rampant. 

Wars on Terrorism fighting wars in Middle East and governments  enforcing draconian laws on their own citizens. Anyone can be considered a terrorist under the new Anti-Terrorist laws. Countless innocent people are taken away to an undisclosed location and interrogated for 30 days without legal representation. Governments continuously  interfere with people's civil rights and liberties. 

The breach of privacy and intrusion into citizens lives by governments is all to keep us safe and secure from terrorism. George W. Bush and other neo-cons continuously push their used car sales pitch : "You are all safe and secure with me and Please trust me".