Well you caught me at a bad moment. If there is one thing I hate, it's people treating discussions as winner take all arguments, not proving a point right or wrong. They always want themselves to be right and the others to be wrong, not the points and claims.

I might get the game down the line, and I hope it plays as well as Reflex, but I still say that Goldeneye will do better sales because there are more gamers who like to play socially than the gaming community thinks.

I am sure that goldeneye and blakc ops wii wiil sales great.

goldeneye for nostalic and local multiplayer nice online

balck ops wii the same cod as HD version will only local miss *5 and 4 cod wii havent local player too and will great*

I m happy to see the  wii wiil have chat , less code, zombi coop mode online.

I hoped so long until i played cod 5 on ps3 to have the  same on wii.

Seriously, will the 360 and PS3 versions have split screen, though?

The video game industry needs to grow up. Not only is it the only industry I've ever heard of where developers blame customers for bad sales, but I agree with Lord, many developers tend to make plenty of assumtpions without actually doing any real research. Gaming Journalists can fall into the same category. It's like they're in their own little world and fail to see the mass of people in this world who don't fit their tiny circle of ideas.

That's precisely how Nintendo swooped up this generation with the Wii. At least someone was thinking.

hmmmm, well its a good thing they didnt cut out anything really big. im fine with no split-screen(never eally cared for it) and theater mode sounds useless. i was only wondering about kill-cam cuz it was a featuer that caught my eye when i first played MW. though now that i look back, it really isnt that big of a deal....will the headset that this game uses be the headbanger one that was originally for Conduit 2 or will it be a whole new headset?

still wish that the multiplayer had 16 players but, meh, 12 is still pretty good....anywho, thanks for all the info!

This is actually part of the reason I got so upset here. It's all based on the notion of thinking they know better, and then blaming us for not proving they know better.

Plus I want to repeat that it might be possible that online matters more. I just don't like it assumed without proving it. Too much money is at stake for such an attitude.

Can't answer that question. Since there is no splitscreen, there really isn't a point to the bots mode. It may still be in there, but I'd have to ask. When news hits, trust me, I'll be telling you guys. 

I do not accept the bet (I know you've already retracted the bet anyway) on the ground that it is impossible to tell whether the difference in features is the deciding factor in greater sales of the two.  This goes direcly back to your correlation=causation issue.  You tell us sales do not signify factuality and then make a bet based directly upon it.

Further more, you accuse us of not providing any proof to support our claims without noting the irony.  You have not provided any support for your claim either.

And the X360 and PS3 iterations do have local (and online) splitscreen multiplayer. I myself believe the Wii capable of doing splitscreen and even online splitscreen (Mario Kart Wii pulls this off) but understand the engine for the Wii iteration is done designed for it. Even if Treyarch wanted to include, they'd never have time to include it before launch.

1. Well I also realized it would be really hard to verify, if we just go by sales. But you should also realize you can't go by sales for the other assumption either.

2. I don't really have the means to do a proper statistical survey of customers. My point is that those that have the means don't seem willing to do so. Even if you can't, those that can should do so.

3. Well if the split screen would actually cause so much strain, even on those systems, why not take it out of those versions to ensure performance? If onine is so much more important, no one should miss it.

That wasn't a joke. From what I was told, that would be a sensible option to make the best running game possible.

I still say Goldeneye will outsell this, assuming the game lives up to the promise and has some actual marketing as well.

You got upset for no reason, though. What I had said was splitscreen was never a focal point or selling point for a Call of Duty title, then you went all Mariah Carey on me. I never mentioned anything about the rest of the industry as you did. Call of Duty has always been about it's deep online multiplayer, ever since the 1st Call of Duty game in 2003, it was never about splitscreen and playing with your buddies in the same room. Activision has spent a LOT of money on online servers for Call of Duty. When you hear Call of Duty, the first thing you SHOULD think about is the deepest online multiplayer game you will ever play, not splitscreen.

I was being super nice to you in the beginning and even apologizing for offending you but you continuously got ruder and ruder. So I got ruder as well. Breathe and take it easy.