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PC World are hosting an article from Macworld (established Apple Mac website/magazine) on their thoughts and summation of E3.

Suffice to say Apple won E3, despite not actually being significantly present at the time.

I don't see this reality, in which gaming is dying and Apple's game apps are an unstoppable juggernaut on path to effortlessly destroy the big three. I do find it fascinating that some in the Apple media see it like this though.

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"We can't stop here, this is nerd country," I told the taxi driver as we sped off, leaving behind a group of angry French game developers whose cab I had just snaked. My driver told me this was the busiest he'd ever seen the downtown, what with the Lakers game and the biggest gaming convention in the world. I told him not to compare the cheap theater at the Staples Center with the horrid carnival of souls residing in the LA Convention Center that I was being forced to cover.

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2010 is the year of the reboot. As I type this on my MacBook Pro in my air-conditioned hotel room in Los Angeles, I've just sat through presentations by three major console companies and I don't there was an original idea among them. The old is new again. Everyone is making motion controller games. Everyone is making 3D games. Everyone is remaking the games that made them famous. Look for new Sonic, Mortal Kombat, Gears of War, Halo, Zelda, Metroid, Medal of Honor, Castlevania, and Twisted Metal in the coming year. I walked the floor of E3 until my flip-flops broke in protest at the mediocrity. When your footwear is sounding off about the originality of your industry, you know you're in a tough place.

Microsoft's presentation on Monday set the tone for the week: There's a new Halo game coming out, but this time with space battles. The entire presentation reminded me of that Simpsons episode where Malibu Stacy gets a new hat. Halo: New Hat is due out sometime in the next year, will likely set some sales records, but will move the industry forward as much as a tractor on cinder blocks.

After the presentation, I called my old college hall mate who now works for Microsoft up in Seattle. We discussed the possibility of more Halo games coming out, including Halo racers, Master Chief themed pet games, and the potential for the faceless Halo protagonist becoming like Sonic, a bloated whore who has sold every ounce of dignity to produce increasingly irrelevant games. And we both realized we'd get paid handsomely for creating and covering these games. Maybe the industry doesn't need fixing.

On Tuesday, Nintendo unveiled its own pageant of the past, where the Japanese gaming giant updated all of the titles that made it famous twenty years ago and this seemingly was something to celebrate. If you want to buy Zelda's Wind Waker crossed with Twilight Princess, Nintendo would like to sell you that game. Nintendo is so willing to sell it, in fact, that its willing to put adult men in front of thousands of people and have them swat pretend swords for your amusement. There were also retreads of Metroid and Kid Icarus and if these titles mean anything to you, that means you probably remember blowing into cartridges to make them work.

The saddest bunny that Nintendo pulled out of its hat was the trailer for a new Goldeneye 007 game. The reveal was met not by wowed enthusiasm, but instead with the sound of thousands of hands slapping a thousand foreheads. Electronic Arts tried to reboot/cash-in the Goldeneye franchise years ago with Goldeneye: Rogue Agent. Rogue Agent was a horrid mess of a game with a great premise; this new Goldeneye title looks like a horrid mess of a game with a bad premise. Nintendo is essentially trying to remaster a masterpiece while updating it with things like Daniel Craig's face.

There is no way the game can live up to the iconic Nintendo 64 first person shooter, and without the original developers from Rare, this new Goldeneye will be as well received as Blue Brothers 2000 or New Coke.

On the show floor, I later played the new Goldeneye 007, and I can confirm that you still can't play first person shooters on the Wii and oh yeah, if you want to remake Goldeneye, at least make sure it looks better than third party mod like Goldeneye: Source.

But really, the biggest reveal for Nintendo is the company still doesn't know how to spend its money. Instead of investing lots of money to actually make quality new games, the higher-ups at Disney hired literally a hundred models to showcase their new 3DS. Awkwardly and uniformly dressed and tethered to each device like sexy tigers, these poor women were tasked with demonstrating the new piece of hardware all while keeping a smile on their face and the heavy breathing of the fan boys off the screens.

The Nintendo 3DS will sell like gangbusters but it still doesn't signal that Nintendo has any understanding of how the mobile market is changing. Sure, the 3DS has 3D graphics without glasses--but also without a sense of perspective. That is to say, Apple is eating their market and Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime is sitting in the white Buick with the devil as they go over the cliff, laughing, a la Thelma and Louise.

Sony at least knows that the casual gaming market is gone to them. Apple's SDK can't be beaten by conventional platforms or conventional weapons, so at Sony's presentation, Sony reps took time to mew that their PSP platform is for "serious gamers." Which would explain the declining sales.

The three big console developers, previously unchallenged in their supremacy, have become complacent swine, out of touch with the modern gamer. They keep making games that they already made because they know they will sell, not because they will be challenging, creative, or fun. How many times has Zelda been remade? Do we really need yet another Mortal Kombat, Twisted Metal, or Halo game? The snake is eating its own tail.

I don't have a problem with reboots per say, so long as we also have new franchises, new titles, and new genres to explore. And that what was lacking at E3 this year. While the big boys were wrestling over who had the better motion controls and who could find the most obscure old game they could remake, quietly you began to wonder how long the industry could keep this up. Hiring models to promote your game and giving away free Xbox 360s to journalists is only going to keep the barbarians at bay for so long.


For more Macintosh computing news, visit Macworld. Story copyright © 2010 Mac Publishing LLC. All rights reserved. 

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MEGA OUCH!

Console fans we must stop in fighting!!!

 THIS IS OUR THREAD TO UNITE!!!!!!!!!!!

{goes into a coughing fit}



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

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SONY FANBOIZ R TEH WORST

NO XBOTS

NO NINTENDORKS

No, it's Apple fanboys who are the worst. By many fucking lightyears.

"As I sit here typing this on my MacBook Pro (not a laptop, btw!!!!!!!)"

"I don't have problem with reboots per se, that's why I buy every overpriced refresh of any Apple device."

I actually want to smash this smug motherfucker's teeth in.



fck them. all they do is relse new scam products evry year, iphone 3g thn iphone 4, then iphone 5 nxt year, they scam money off fanbase. ipod has low qulity music playback 2. Jpn hs seen quality of apple is bad, thts why apple sales in jpn are going down, if apple fanboys act like this, they will kill ther compny.



A lot of what they've said just trashs IP's from consoles line-up. having not experienced an ipad or iphone, i cant say that i care much for their opinions. they're basically saying their pushing foward the frontiers of entertainment innovation, while the 3 console developers are nostalgically living in a distant past. 

the problem is that, i dont know how you can get a console experience on a phone or an ipad. they've also tried to do this dumb thing where you assume everyone is the same mass consumer. they dont seem to understand that people who play games on their phone arnt necessarily the same people who play console games.

theres so much in here to unpack, and i'm sure many users will tear this to shreads, but the real diamond in this article is when they say that nintendo still dosent understand the mobile phone market... theres a very good reason for that, nintendo arnt in the mobile phone market, lol.



RolStoppable said:

It's obvious that Apple enthusiasts like to create great conflict by pretending that Apple poses a real threat to the makers of video games, but that threat is as much of a threat as PC gaming is. Those Apple enthusiasts seem to be oblivous to the fact that an Apple device would not only need to offer all the gaming related features of all consoles and handhelds combined, but at the same time also software that outdoes each and every game on all those video game systems.

Could Apple possibly pull that off? The chances that I buy a PS3 are infinitely higher.

why u no buy a ps3? is a gud system.



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100 % Bias free!



"There were also retreads of Metroid and Kid Icarus and if these titles mean anything to you, that means you probably remember blowing into cartridges to make them work."

Someone remind this guy the metroid has been here pretty consistently. But I don't blame the man. He seems to be talking to people who never played any of the cartridge consoles, which would be people born in the late 90s early 00s. (and nobody likes those people. Those people enjoy silly bandz.)

Also, ITT: none of our games are good enough to warrant sequels.



The three big console developers, previously unchallenged in their supremacy, have become complacent swine, out of touch with the modern gamer. They keep making games that they already made because they know they will sell, not because they will be challenging, creative, or fun. How many times has Zelda been remade? Do we really need yet another Mortal Kombat, Twisted Metal, or Halo game? The snake is eating its own tail.

If by "previously unchallenged", you mean that Apple wasn't in the game market, well...just who do these guys think they are? They weren't challenged before, and now since Apple wants to join the fray, all of a sudden the companies that define gaming (something that is a joke, a literal joke, on Apple platforms) are being challenged and are complacent for doing what they do best?
Nintendo changed things up with the Wiimote and got themselves back in first place, and that's complacent? Sony is advancing technology with BluRay, 3D, etc. and that's complacent? Microsoft is making deals to bring content to their platform (ala ESPN) that will draw in more people and that's complacent?
Out of touch with the modern gamer? WHAT THE FUCK DOES APPLE KNOW ABOUT GAMERS? They don't produce games themselves, and 3rd parties are JUST NOW putting *small indie games* on their platform, and all of a sudden Apple knows all about gamers, and the the other companies are "out of touch". 
I see why people who have Macbooks, iPhones, and desktop Macs are so smug. They had to get their superiority complex from somewhere. 
"They keep making games that they already made because they know they will sell, not because they will be challenging, creative, or fun"

I guess LBP is just nothing now. Uncharted and Gears (as new IPs when they came out) were nothing. I guess Fallout is nothing. I guess Assassin's Creed is nothing. Kinda hypocritical for a guy that says "I don't mind reboots, but new IPs need to come out" and so many of them have come out this generation. Unless by new IPs and experiences, he means a ton of small games like Plants vs. Zombies, instead of grand adventures like Final Fantasy XIII. And even still, Apple is beat, with so many of those types of games on PSN, XBLA, and WiiWare.

And the last point. "Do we really need a new Twisted Metal, Halo, etc?"

YES! Why? BECAUSE WE DEMANDED IT! New Twisted Metal is being made because GAMERS HAVE BEEN PANDERING OVER IT FOR YEARS! It's just like MvC3. The developers didn't just decide "oh after 10 years of not making a game in this franchise, I'm just going to out of the blue make it". It's because we, as gamers, have been asking over and over, and the developers simply want to give us what we want.

That last statement  actually kills all his credibility. To say that Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo is out of touch with gamers, yet they brought games that have been demanded for years by gamers (new Donkey Kong, new Twisted Metal, etc)....well, you get my point.

Apple can suck my balls. Welcome to VG Chartz. A site for gamers, ran by gamers, and nowhere is Apple to be found at the foundation of this site

Edit: VGC won't change it from being a wall of text in the first couple of paragraphs. I've tried to separate the paragraphs, but its not working



honestly guys, better to just ignore this stuff. Talking shit is just going to make mac fans spend their inherited wealth on millions of mini games at 10 cents a pop.



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