o_O.Q said:
i'm speaking about the trans movement in general, I already acknowledged that sundin at least at this point in time was able to perceive idiocy that lies at the bottom of this idea and promptly stopped replying
personally I don't understand how someone who pretends to be informed on this topic can deny the reality of where this movement is heading - some examples for you to consider
https://medium.com/@juliaserano/debunking-trans-women-are-not-women-arguments-85fd5ab0e19c
"The “biological woman” fallacy
Claims that trans women are not women often rely on essentialist (and therefore incorrect) assumptions about biology. For instance, people might argue that trans women are not “genetically female,” despite the fact that we cannot readily ascertain anybody’s sex chromosomes. Indeed, most people have never even had their sex chromosomes examined, and those that do are sometimes surprised by the results."
"I would argue that all of these appeals to biology are inherently anti-feminist. Sexists routinely dismiss women by pointing to real or presumed biological differences. Feminists have long challenged the objectification of our bodies, and have argued that we are not limited by our biology. So it is hypocritical for any self-identified feminist to use “biology” and “body parts” arguments in their attempts to dismiss trans women."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/meet-the-feminist-academics-championing-trans-rights
"In other words, sex is a social interpretation; a doctor decides the sex based on a baby’s genitals, regardless of internal organs, chromosomes, and hormones (all of which might contradict this).
So who is best fit to decide someone’s sex, and thereby assume their gender identity? Is it society, a doctor, or the individual themselves?
The other problem with biology, when discussing feminism and trans people, is where it leads, said Emejulu.
“The goal,” she said, referring to feminism throughout history, “was always to say that biology was not destiny because that was precisely the argument that people used to keep women in private spaces: that women with their ‘smaller brains’ were ‘prone to fainting’ and are not fit to be in public spaces, such as politics and the workplace.”
Using biology, therefore, to further the case for feminism, does not work, she said. “So I find it baffling that people would use these arguments in order to exclude another group of women.”"
https://everydayfeminism.com/2017/02/trans-women-not-biologically-male/
"No, Trans Women Are NOT ‘Biologically Male"
"Ever thought or said something like this? You might even have good intentions by stating what you think is a simple fact – after all, gender is a social construct, while sex is biological, right?
Actually, this “simple fact” of trans women being “biologically male” is inaccurate – and this misrepresentation of the truth is being used to justify some pretty hateful things."
https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/blog/decentering-narrative-trans-folks-body-image-and-eds
"Another barrier is the way in which cisnormative*** body ideals and beauty standards are idealized. Those who break gender norms are not typically viewed in a positive light, and this has a negative effect on trans individuals in particular. The pressure to “pass” as cisgender can be especially destructive to those who already hold negative feelings towards themselves and their bodies. "
https://medium.com/@Phaylen/we-need-to-talk-about-the-myth-of-passing-in-the-trans-community-e1bedaf32ebb
"Let’s call “Passing” what it really is: The desire to meet the standard of an external social gaze. The privilege of blending in with the rest of society as a “norm” rather than stand out as an “other.” I am not sure why no one has told these incredible people why standing out is far more powerful than falling into formation to satisfy the often unreasonable definitions of femininity and masculinity as if they have firm definitions… they don’t. I know many women with masculine traits, wide shoulders for example, arms with ample hair, some stand over six feet tall or are mistaken for a man on the telephone because their voice is not received as explicitly female. There are men with small waists, even proud busts that make small-breasted women jealous. Some have soft features or mannerisms that have been classified as traditionally feminine. Cisgender people, even with these vast variations in appearances and mannerisms rarely suffer a blow to their quality of life as a result of not fitting into socially constructed molds of how men and women develop. That fact is, while masculinity and femininity are identifiable characteristics, they are not and never have been exclusive to men or women, transgender or not."
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