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Immersiveunreality on 31 August 2019
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sundin13 said:
o_O.Q said:

""by completely dismissing the role of biology?" =/= "I would argue that all of these appeals to biology are inherently anti-feminist.""

ok ok ok, you can weasle out of this by claiming they are specifically referring only to feminism(even though we both know that this is not the point they were making) but fortunately I posted other quotes:

"So who is best fit to decide someone’s sex, and thereby assume their gender identity? Is it society, a doctor, or the individual themselves?"

""So it is hypocritical for any self-identified feminist to use “biology” and “body parts” arguments in their attempts to dismiss trans women.""

"both presentation and biology that both construct gender" =/= "Behavior and presentation" are certainly important components of maleness and femaleness, but remember, we are talking about both the biological and the societal aspects of maleness and femaleness."

so you are defining "maleness" and "femaleness" as something other than gender? if that is the case why did you start using these terms in an argument about gender?

A) Those quotes are not dismissing the role of biology. Words mean the things they mean. They don't mean the things they don't mean. That shouldn't need to be explained.

B) FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK, YES. I've explained this way too many times for you to still be asking these basic ass questions. While this may be a bit reductive:

Sex+Gender=The concepts of maleness+femaleness

Presentation and Behavior=Part of the concepts of maleness+femaleness

Gender is not defined by sex+anything, gender works alongside sex to construct the concepts of maleness+femaleness.

This is simple addition. If A+B=C, that does not in any fucking way, mean that C+B=A. Actually, it means the opposite.

My god, man. Get a hold of yourself.

Thats true on how it is culturally and scientiffically seen in a lot of countries.

It is interesting that there are a good amount of countries where sex and gender are interchangeable used to just describe being female or male,culturally speaking i mean and it looks like english speaking countries have the biggest division between the two words.

This is not really adding to the conversation but it is handy to know when trying to understand the confusion of some people on these matters.