SaveJames - Liberal mom forcing her son to act like a girl?

[o_O.Q]

sundin13 said:

o_O.Q said:

""by completely dismissing the role of biology?" =/= "I would argue that all of these appeals to biology are inherently anti-feminist.""

ok ok ok, you can weasle out of this by claiming they are specifically referring only to feminism(even though we both know that this is not the point they were making) but fortunately I posted other quotes:

"So who is best fit to decide someone’s sex, and thereby assume their gender identity? Is it society, a doctor, or the individual themselves?"

""So it is hypocritical for any self-identified feminist to use “biology” and “body parts” arguments in their attempts to dismiss trans women.""

"both presentation and biology that both construct gender" =/= "Behavior and presentation" are certainly important components of maleness and femaleness, but remember, we are talking about both the biological and the societal aspects of maleness and femaleness."

so you are defining "maleness" and "femaleness" as something other than gender? if that is the case why did you start using these terms in an argument about gender?

A) Those quotes are not dismissing the role of biology. Words mean the things they mean. They don't mean the things they don't mean. That shouldn't need to be explained.

B) FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK, YES. I've explained this way too many times for you to still be asking these basic ass questions. While this may be a bit reductive:

Sex+Gender=The concepts of maleness+femaleness

Presentation and Behavior=Part of the concepts of maleness+femaleness

Gender is not defined by sex+anything, gender works alongside sex to construct the concepts of maleness+femaleness.

My god, man. Get a hold of yourself.

" Those quotes are not dismissing the role of biology. Words mean the things they mean. "

"So it is hypocritical for any self-identified feminist to use “biology” and “body parts” arguments in their attempts to dismiss trans women."

ok what does this quote mean to you? lay it out for me

""So who is best fit to decide someone’s sex, and thereby assume their gender identity? Is it society, a doctor, or the individual themselves?""

ok what does this quote mean to you? lay it out for me

""No, Trans Women Are NOT ‘Biologically Male""

ok what does this quote mean to you? lay it out for me

"Sex+Gender=The concepts of maleness+femaleness"

first off male and female are biological categories so right off you were wrong to begin I just didn't bother bringing that up since I wanted to understand your perspective

but regardless you brought these terms into a discussion about gender so obviously I would assume you were using them interchangeably with gender

so for clarity you do not believe gender to have a biological component, correct? edit: you clarified that yes that is the case in the post

I have sympathy for your predicament here because to make this ideology have the appearance of coherency a lot of dancing around with terms is required and that's ok, I have patience and am eager to see where this goes

Last edited by o_O.Q - on 31 August 2019