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Mr Puggsly said:

When we saw actual gameplay, I think that was a pretty good indication this isn't AAA. The multiplayer on the other hand was more like a tech demo.

Wasting a lot of money on a game doesn't make it AAA. Also, if their goal was a AAA game they wouldn't have gone to Sumo.

Well it was suposed to be AAA, it wasted potential, it wasted money and it wasted time. Since the devs were cleary failling at making something that acttualy felt like it was a modern game lets just pretend it was always suposed to be mediocre and give it a pass, cause I'm sure MS wanted nothing more than to release a mediocre game after having only the Forza series for years. As I said its an unexcusable game, sure someone can have fun playing it, but then again some people can have fun playing Knack as well, doesn't mean its a great game. 

Last edited by DakonBlackblade - on 19 February 2019

DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Idk bro, where did he say this? What was he referring to, exactly? How much control did he have at the time? Was he answering to someone confident in the Xbox brand or was it the guy who didn’t want to spend money on Xbox? What content was there for Microsoft to secure at the time? What studios that they bought recently were available to buy four years ago?

Unless you factually know the answers to these questions and more, you’re talking out of your ass to say he’s a liar. 

So you were away from this forum the last 5 years? I do remember you participating, even on the Spencer's threads.

There were multiple promises of improving 1st party along those years. And here you and others trying to say he can't be blamed for the past 6 years because first it was Don Mattrick fault then it is because he wasn't high on the hierarchy (yes Senior Directors are powerless). So either he is to blame because he had the power but didn't take action or he was lying because he didn't had power to honor the promise. You can't have


 

 


 

 

So the argument was all bark no bite, shocked.



DonFerrari said:
smroadkill15 said:

Read Ryuu's comment. It sums up perfectly the situation with Xbox. I'm sure if it was up to Phil, he would've improved 1st party presence sooner than he had, but with Xbox still being under the Windows division and Phil having to report to Terry Myerson, he only had so much power. Shortly after Xbox became its own division and Phil became executive VP, Xbox started buying up studios and increasing their 1st party. It's not a coincidence. 

So he was promising before having power to do so?


I'm sure Phil could have done it without being in the position that he is in now, but it would've taken much longer. With him being promoted to VP, and Xbox become it's own cornerstone of MS, it sped up the process. I remember reading from multiple sources, including Phil, he was on a mission to improving services, hardware, and software in that order. That is what he did. 



smroadkill15 said:
DonFerrari said:

So he was promising before having power to do so?


I'm sure Phil could have done it without being in the position that he is in now, but it would've taken much longer. With him being promoted to VP, and Xbox become it's own cornerstone of MS, it sped up the process. I remember reading from multiple sources, including Phil, he was on a mission to improving services, hardware, and software in that order. That is what he did. 

He said this mission like less than 12 months ago. But he was promising better and more 1st party content for several years. And year after year what we had in VGC was people defending that he couldn't turn around from day to night, it would take time. But then they were able to purchase several companies in a short period. That is why I question if he was lying on they working on improving it at those time or making empty promises he couldn't fulfill (even if intending to fulfill).

I can understand it taking 6-12 months to verify viable companies, negotiate and purchase, but the lack of action for 3 years and then buying the studios only when it is time to prepare for next gen seems like he was just doing PR promises to keep people buying X1.



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smroadkill15 said:
DonFerrari said:

So he was promising before having power to do so?


I'm sure Phil could have done it without being in the position that he is in now, but it would've taken much longer. With him being promoted to VP, and Xbox become it's own cornerstone of MS, it sped up the process. I remember reading from multiple sources, including Phil, he was on a mission to improving services, hardware, and software in that order. That is what he did. 

That promotion was way back in September of 2017, breh. Sure we’ve seen GamePass and expanded BC and Scorpio greatness and like 6 or whatever new studios to Xbox but where are all the AAA 94+ metascore exclusives? It can’t take that long to make the next Halo or Zelda.



Pemalite said: 
Mr Puggsly said:

Why does it even matter though? This is MS, they can afford to take risks.

Precisely. Microsoft is set to be a $1 trillion dollar company. This is a drop in the bucket... But it does do one thing, that is to build good will with Xbox gamers... As Microsoft needs exclusives... And they kept promising to do better on that front.... Could you imagine the shit storm if Microsoft cancelled Crackdown 3 as well?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

At the end of the day, Crackdown 3 is more Crackdown, if you didn't enjoy the first two titles, you won't like the third.

Mr Puggsly said:

Frankly its good thing MS has Gamepass because that helps justify a project like Crackdown 3 by encouraging people subscribe. Even if people subscribe and dislike it, there are a bunch of objectively notable games they might like on Gamepass. Anecdotally, I'm a Gamepass subscriber because it only takes two $60 games to justify a year subscription. So Forza Horizon 4 and Crackdown 3 have already made my subscription worthwhile.

Personally I can't justify Gamepass, I like to own my games.
Gold I can justify as I keep the Xbox and Xbox 360 titles... And Humble Bundle I can justify as I keep those too... But each to their own.

Agreed, MS needs to pump out content. Not just to have a new game on the market, but again to push Gamepass. A service that apparently has millions of subscribers.

At the very least, they made a game Crackdown fans are enjoying.

You can own games AND have Gamepass. For example, I still buy games on EA Access and Gamepass when they're $5-10. Hence, I save money by playing games before they're discounted. You can also find discounted subscriptions, I think I bought a year pass for like $70 and you can buy monthly passes with MS Rewards points.



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for X1S/X1X (4/5) - Infinity Blade III - for iPad 4 (3/5) - Infinity Blade II - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Infinity Blade - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Wolfenstein: The Old Blood for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Origins for X1 (3/5) - Uncharted: Lost Legacy for PS4 (4/5) - EA UFC 3 for X1 (4/5) - Doom for X1 (4/5) - Titanfall 2 for X1 (4/5) - Super Mario 3D World for Wii U (4/5) - South Park: The Stick of Truth for X1 BC (4/5) - Call of Duty: WWII for X1 (4/5) -Wolfenstein II for X1 - (4/5) - Dead or Alive: Dimensions for 3DS (4/5) - Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite for X1 (3/5) - Halo Wars 2 for X1/PC (4/5) - Halo Wars: DE for X1 (4/5) - Tekken 7 for X1 (4/5) - Injustice 2 for X1 (4/5) - Yakuza 5 for PS3 (3/5) - Battlefield 1 (Campaign) for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Syndicate for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: MW Remastered for X1 (4/5) - Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS (4/5) - Forza Horizon 3 for X1 (5/5)

vivster said:

So the early impressions were on point. I wonder if this is the last nail in the coffin for Microsoft's commitment to create 1st party exclusives. I haven't read any reviews, has anyone mentioned the power of the cloud?

Well for me yeah, its more Crackdown and I like that.

This is an amazing post, why do people on the interweb think Crackdown 3 was a crucial game for Xbox 1st party?

MS literally just bought a bunch of studios, yet some think a second tier IP with a game developed by Sumo was going to determine if MS 1st party content continues? Incredible.



Recently Completed
Crackdown 3
for X1S/X1X (4/5) - Infinity Blade III - for iPad 4 (3/5) - Infinity Blade II - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Infinity Blade - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Wolfenstein: The Old Blood for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Origins for X1 (3/5) - Uncharted: Lost Legacy for PS4 (4/5) - EA UFC 3 for X1 (4/5) - Doom for X1 (4/5) - Titanfall 2 for X1 (4/5) - Super Mario 3D World for Wii U (4/5) - South Park: The Stick of Truth for X1 BC (4/5) - Call of Duty: WWII for X1 (4/5) -Wolfenstein II for X1 - (4/5) - Dead or Alive: Dimensions for 3DS (4/5) - Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite for X1 (3/5) - Halo Wars 2 for X1/PC (4/5) - Halo Wars: DE for X1 (4/5) - Tekken 7 for X1 (4/5) - Injustice 2 for X1 (4/5) - Yakuza 5 for PS3 (3/5) - Battlefield 1 (Campaign) for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Syndicate for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: MW Remastered for X1 (4/5) - Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS (4/5) - Forza Horizon 3 for X1 (5/5)

DakonBlackblade said:
Mr Puggsly said:

When we saw actual gameplay, I think that was a pretty good indication this isn't AAA. The multiplayer on the other hand was more like a tech demo.

Wasting a lot of money on a game doesn't make it AAA. Also, if their goal was a AAA game they wouldn't have gone to Sumo.

Well it was suposed to be AAA, it wasted potential, it wasted money and it wasted time. Since the devs were cleary failling at making something that acttualy felt like it was a modern game lets just pretend it was always suposed to be mediocre and give it a pass, cause I'm sure MS wanted nothing more than to release a mediocre game after not having only the Forza series for years. As I said its an unexcusable game, sure someone can have fun playing it, but then again some people can have fun playing Knack as well, doesn't mean its a great game. 

Right, when I see a simplistic comic bookish presentation and Sumo Digital are at the helm of a project I think AAA mega project.

 Or maybe you were really just impressed by the tech of buildings falling down and Terry Crews.

An "unexcusable" game? Well I agree the scaling back of MP is INEXCUSABLE. But I feel the campaign is fine, its Crackdown.

Is anybody arguing Crackdown 3 is a "GREAT GAME"? Not really, I hear people simply saying they're having fun with it and they don't agree with the reviews. Doesn't mean we feel its GOTY.



Recently Completed
Crackdown 3
for X1S/X1X (4/5) - Infinity Blade III - for iPad 4 (3/5) - Infinity Blade II - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Infinity Blade - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Wolfenstein: The Old Blood for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Origins for X1 (3/5) - Uncharted: Lost Legacy for PS4 (4/5) - EA UFC 3 for X1 (4/5) - Doom for X1 (4/5) - Titanfall 2 for X1 (4/5) - Super Mario 3D World for Wii U (4/5) - South Park: The Stick of Truth for X1 BC (4/5) - Call of Duty: WWII for X1 (4/5) -Wolfenstein II for X1 - (4/5) - Dead or Alive: Dimensions for 3DS (4/5) - Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite for X1 (3/5) - Halo Wars 2 for X1/PC (4/5) - Halo Wars: DE for X1 (4/5) - Tekken 7 for X1 (4/5) - Injustice 2 for X1 (4/5) - Yakuza 5 for PS3 (3/5) - Battlefield 1 (Campaign) for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Syndicate for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: MW Remastered for X1 (4/5) - Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS (4/5) - Forza Horizon 3 for X1 (5/5)

DonFerrari said:
smroadkill15 said:

I'm sure Phil could have done it without being in the position that he is in now, but it would've taken much longer. With him being promoted to VP, and Xbox become it's own cornerstone of MS, it sped up the process. I remember reading from multiple sources, including Phil, he was on a mission to improving services, hardware, and software in that order. That is what he did. 

He said this mission like less than 12 months ago. But he was promising better and more 1st party content for several years. And year after year what we had in VGC was people defending that he couldn't turn around from day to night, it would take time. But then they were able to purchase several companies in a short period. That is why I question if he was lying on they working on improving it at those time or making empty promises he couldn't fulfill (even if intending to fulfill).

I can understand it taking 6-12 months to verify viable companies, negotiate and purchase, but the lack of action for 3 years and then buying the studios only when it is time to prepare for next gen seems like he was just doing PR promises to keep people buying X1.

How much power did he have when he spend 2.5 billion on mojan? For what? mincraft wich everybody already had. I have no idea the price off all theese studios bought last year, but I can safely assume they cmbined dont reach 2.5 billion. Why could phil not spend that 2.5b back then in a few little studios like he did now? We would definetly have something to show for it by now.



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eva01beserk said:
DonFerrari said:

He said this mission like less than 12 months ago. But he was promising better and more 1st party content for several years. And year after year what we had in VGC was people defending that he couldn't turn around from day to night, it would take time. But then they were able to purchase several companies in a short period. That is why I question if he was lying on they working on improving it at those time or making empty promises he couldn't fulfill (even if intending to fulfill).

I can understand it taking 6-12 months to verify viable companies, negotiate and purchase, but the lack of action for 3 years and then buying the studios only when it is time to prepare for next gen seems like he was just doing PR promises to keep people buying X1.

How much power did he have when he spend 2.5 billion on mojan? For what? mincraft wich everybody already had. I have no idea the price off all theese studios bought last year, but I can safely assume they cmbined dont reach 2.5 billion. Why could phil not spend that 2.5b back then in a few little studios like he did now? We would definetly have something to show for it by now.

Phil was still under Terry Myerson at that time, under Windows. The Minecraft purchase was less of a decision to push Xbox and more of a Microsoft decision to make more money, from my understanding the 'Acquisitions' budget does not come out of Xbox's budget, It's a shared budget across Microsoft however the upkeep of these studios, paying these employees will come out of the Xbox budget. Mojang is a low-cost studio for high reward, they only have around 70 staff, all these new studios combined have at least 500+ and still rapidly expanding, many with plans to go above 200 and become larger multiple teams and so their upkeep will far exceed Mojang's.

Another reason for the purchase that made it an easy decision for Microsoft was it was being done using their overseas cash which they don't bring over to America in order to avoid it getting taxed, so they have around $90B in cash just sitting there accumulating wealth and they'd make more money off Minecraft itself than interest from $2.5B.

Thus far we have 4 studios from America, 1 from Canada and 2 from UK so using a combination of overseas cash reserves and Microsoft's domestic cash reserves rather than simply Microsoft throwing around useless cash that's just sitting there on a studio that will give them huge returns, way more than anyone else could.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 19 February 2019