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eva01beserk said:
DonFerrari said:

He said this mission like less than 12 months ago. But he was promising better and more 1st party content for several years. And year after year what we had in VGC was people defending that he couldn't turn around from day to night, it would take time. But then they were able to purchase several companies in a short period. That is why I question if he was lying on they working on improving it at those time or making empty promises he couldn't fulfill (even if intending to fulfill).

I can understand it taking 6-12 months to verify viable companies, negotiate and purchase, but the lack of action for 3 years and then buying the studios only when it is time to prepare for next gen seems like he was just doing PR promises to keep people buying X1.

How much power did he have when he spend 2.5 billion on mojan? For what? mincraft wich everybody already had. I have no idea the price off all theese studios bought last year, but I can safely assume they cmbined dont reach 2.5 billion. Why could phil not spend that 2.5b back then in a few little studios like he did now? We would definetly have something to show for it by now.

From what I remember around the time of the start of this gen MS hd a 5B budget to acquisition/expansion of new studios, which they also used for TV shows if I'm not wrong. So half of it gone to Mohjang, and there were creation of coaltion and 1,2,3 or whatever. Some of those studios they created didn't produce anything as far as we know.

Anyway, we heard a lot of predictions of MS wining this gen based on their infinite money and buying studios and exclusives all around (as they did for some release window exclusives that they had more than Sony).

But now we are reviewing the past and saying they never committed to increase 1st party before last year.



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DonFerrari said:
eva01beserk said:

How much power did he have when he spend 2.5 billion on mojan? For what? mincraft wich everybody already had. I have no idea the price off all theese studios bought last year, but I can safely assume they cmbined dont reach 2.5 billion. Why could phil not spend that 2.5b back then in a few little studios like he did now? We would definetly have something to show for it by now.

From what I remember around the time of the start of this gen MS hd a 5B budget to acquisition/expansion of new studios, which they also used for TV shows if I'm not wrong. So half of it gone to Mohjang, and there were creation of coaltion and 1,2,3 or whatever. Some of those studios they created didn't produce anything as far as we know.

Nope, acquisition budget is a shared budget across the whole of Microsoft, Mojang didn't come out of a '$5B Budget' it came out of a $90B overseas cash reserve, you're thinking of when Don Mattrick said they were investing $1B into Xbox One content. The Coalition has existed since 2010 but gone through a series of name changes, the only other studio they've created this gen are Lift London (Who are no longer an Xbox studio) and The Initiative (From last year).



eva01beserk said:
DonFerrari said:

He said this mission like less than 12 months ago. But he was promising better and more 1st party content for several years. And year after year what we had in VGC was people defending that he couldn't turn around from day to night, it would take time. But then they were able to purchase several companies in a short period. That is why I question if he was lying on they working on improving it at those time or making empty promises he couldn't fulfill (even if intending to fulfill).

I can understand it taking 6-12 months to verify viable companies, negotiate and purchase, but the lack of action for 3 years and then buying the studios only when it is time to prepare for next gen seems like he was just doing PR promises to keep people buying X1.

How much power did he have when he spend 2.5 billion on mojan? For what? mincraft wich everybody already had. I have no idea the price off all theese studios bought last year, but I can safely assume they cmbined dont reach 2.5 billion. Why could phil not spend that 2.5b back then in a few little studios like he did now? We would definetly have something to show for it by now.

Wow, are you impersonating someone that does absolutely no research? I'm impressed, you nailed it!

Now I'm not gonna argue Mojang was worth $2.5 billion. However, the purchase happened around late 2014. Articles from 2014 say the game sold about 54 million units. In 2018, I see articles saying it sold 144 million units. On top of that there is profits from DLC, merch, the story games, etc. Hence, the IP did extremely well post acquisition.

MS likely paid less for all the other studios, but none of them really had a major IP. I would assume MS didn't buy studios sooner because they felt working with 3rd parties was fine. But after mixed results I guess they changed their mind. They also bought studios who do a pretty good job getting content out, but now they'll have bigger budgets to work with.



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Microsoft has so much money they literally bought Mojang for $2,500,000,000 because they projected that they’d make more profit off of that annually than what they’d make in interest if that money were sitting in the bank. Just a stupid amount of money.

That money would have netted them about 25 million sitting in the bank. They figured to make more than that annually with the Minecraft brand. It was purely a money move, less of an “Xbox move”. You can’t say “well they spent 2.5B there, it could have been spent elsewhere on studios”. Logic doesn’t work like that.



Mr Puggsly said:
DakonBlackblade said:

Well it was suposed to be AAA, it wasted potential, it wasted money and it wasted time. Since the devs were cleary failling at making something that acttualy felt like it was a modern game lets just pretend it was always suposed to be mediocre and give it a pass, cause I'm sure MS wanted nothing more than to release a mediocre game after not having only the Forza series for years. As I said its an unexcusable game, sure someone can have fun playing it, but then again some people can have fun playing Knack as well, doesn't mean its a great game. 

Right, when I see a simplistic comic bookish presentation and Sumo Digital are at the helm of a project I think AAA mega project.

 Or maybe you were really just impressed by the tech of buildings falling down and Terry Crews.

An "unexcusable" game? Well I agree the scaling back of MP is INEXCUSABLE. But I feel the campaign is fine, its Crackdown.

Is anybody arguing Crackdown 3 is a "GREAT GAME"? Not really, I hear people simply saying they're having fun with it and they don't agree with the reviews. Doesn't mean we feel its GOTY.

It had investment, it had the marketing campaign (even placing proeminently at more than one E3), it has the big publisher behind it, it was suposed to be AAA. It failled miserably, MS just hid it in a corner so ppl would forget about it and then pretended it wasn't suposed to be a very big title that fell terribly short. In fact it kinda still is AAA, that is not a measure of quality thats a measure of investment/marketing and the game had a lot of that troughout its 5 year production cycle. I find that a game in this situation has no excuses to justify its lack of polish and for being as dated as this is.

And on the fun matter, thats entirely subjective, if ppl are having fun with it great, ppl can have fun with almost anything and tastes vary from person to person, the complainig about reviews and trying to find excuses for why the game isn't being praized is asinine tough, and I don't mean that for Crackdown 3 exclusively, it always is. The cries of underated or overated are dumb, these things are based on a consensus by very big collective of analysis by professionals, everything is rated just as they were suposed to be, one person's opinion on the matter won't change the consensus.

Last edited by DakonBlackblade - on 19 February 2019

Why are there people posting here who clearly don't even have an xbox let alone played or even looked at a copy of Crackdown???

If you enjoyed Crackdown, you will enjoy Crackdown 3. The only thing going against it is the soundtrack is crap compared to the first.



Mr Puggsly said:
eva01beserk said:

How much power did he have when he spend 2.5 billion on mojan? For what? mincraft wich everybody already had. I have no idea the price off all theese studios bought last year, but I can safely assume they cmbined dont reach 2.5 billion. Why could phil not spend that 2.5b back then in a few little studios like he did now? We would definetly have something to show for it by now.

Wow, are you impersonating someone that does absolutely no research? I'm impressed, you nailed it!

Now I'm not gonna argue Mojang was worth $2.5 billion. However, the purchase happened around late 2014. Articles from 2014 say the game sold about 54 million units. In 2018, I see articles saying it sold 144 million units. On top of that there is profits from DLC, merch, the story games, etc. Hence, the IP did extremely well post acquisition.

MS likely paid less for all the other studios, but none of them really had a major IP. I would assume MS didn't buy studios sooner because they felt working with 3rd parties was fine. But after mixed results I guess they changed their mind. They also bought studios who do a pretty good job getting content out, but now they'll have bigger budgets to work with.

I guess it has sold a lot since then. Noted. 

Isn't ninja theory the only one who has released amything note worthy? Aside from the studios that already made exclusive xbox games.



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DonFerrari said:
eva01beserk said:

How much power did he have when he spend 2.5 billion on mojan? For what? mincraft wich everybody already had. I have no idea the price off all theese studios bought last year, but I can safely assume they cmbined dont reach 2.5 billion. Why could phil not spend that 2.5b back then in a few little studios like he did now? We would definetly have something to show for it by now.

From what I remember around the time of the start of this gen MS hd a 5B budget to acquisition/expansion of new studios, which they also used for TV shows if I'm not wrong. So half of it gone to Mohjang, and there were creation of coaltion and 1,2,3 or whatever. Some of those studios they created didn't produce anything as far as we know.

Anyway, we heard a lot of predictions of MS wining this gen based on their infinite money and buying studios and exclusives all around (as they did for some release window exclusives that they had more than Sony).

But now we are reviewing the past and saying they never committed to increase 1st party before last year.

Excuses are bound to run out eventually. At least the pray and wait for Phil wont last longer than the begining of next gen. One more year for that.



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DonFerrari said:
Machiavellian said:

Why would you care about anything until he was actually head of the Xbox division.  Where you in the conference rooms when decisions were made.  Do you even know how any of those decisions went down or if he fought for them and lost.  You are making judgement on information you have no clue on what happen.  I have worked for MS in the past and can tell you that certain titles may sound important but there are a lot of layers to them.  I have no clue what he contributed or not during the times he wasn't the boss, but as the boss, I can directly see what his vision is now.  

I am not covering Spencer ass, for some reason you believe a huge company like MS moves like a developer.  So what exactly are you blaming Spencer for since he gain control of the XBox division.  How hard do you think he may or may not had to change senor management to actually purchase new studios and the other efforts since his term.  Stop acting as if you have all the information or even know how MS work because right now only thing I see is you making an opinion on what you believe happen or has happen.  Nothing moves fast at MS, that is the first thing you should know.

Problem is, that Phill have promised for like 4-6 years to improve 1st party. And we have had people in the site defending that it isn't something he can do over night, but then on 6 month window they buy/increase/create 5-10 studios? It clearly shows that it wasn't something in the top of their list until now, and he have been lying for a long time.

Actually I would also consider this one of those uninformed opinion.  You really do not know what it took to get the budget to purchase these companies.  You have no clue how long contract talks, benefits all the things that are worked out in the purchase of another business.  Just from the experience on the company I worked for just the purchase of one company took 3 years working out the deal.  If the company wasn't up for purchase at the start it could take even longer until you offer the right deal and money.  Just because you see in 6 months 3 studios purchased does not show how long it took to get to this point.  This is why sometimes I have a problem with how gamers view things.  For some reason you all believe things just happen right away.  MS started 6 months ago woeing these companies and bam it happen.  



vivster said:

So the early impressions were on point. I wonder if this is the last nail in the coffin for Microsoft's commitment to create 1st party exclusives. I haven't read any reviews, has anyone mentioned the power of the cloud?

Base on what? Have you played the game? I played over 15 hours last weekend, I think Gamespot review totally missed it's mark.  the 5/10 would make sense if it included the multiplayer but the campaing is actualy pretty good (7.5/10 - I would give it). The game is not a master piece and the power of the cloud is bad marketing joke at this point. But I had tons of fun playing the campaign and will go back to finish the game. 

Your either seriously miss-informed or just wanted to make a stupid comment on Microsoft commitment to create 1st party exclusives. They've double the numbers of 1st party studios and have create a whole new studios that will make AAA Microsoft exclusives with The Initiative. 

They might not reach Sony level of quality output but it's pretty dumb statement to say that Microsoft isn't making 1st Party exclusives. 



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