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EricHiggin on 08 September 2018
Azzanation said:

Lets be honest here. Any company approaching next gen with some sort of fee/service to cross play will be kicking themselves in the butt especially when your competitors will be offering it for free (If they offer it for free).

Cross Play should be all about weather the Pubs/Devs want to implement it on there own games, not the platform maker to make that decision for them which seems to be the case in this thread. This is Sony not wanting it on a game they don't own or make. This is simply, we want the money and punish anyone who doesn't play this modern phase on our system which is obvious to just about everyone. 

Competition is a good thing and its great to see them pushing eachother into doing things better for the people. It seems to be always the case, who's ever in front tends to care less. That wont change next gen either however we have seen positive signs this gen with Xbox and Nintendo starting to work together to make there platforms even greater than what they are, they are striving to be better.

MS offered a subscription service for 360 last gen, and didn't this gen, until recently. There is no guarantee cross play is standard going forward and assuming it remains free seems much less likely based on XB's past. While PS and MS both offered BC, the MS version is no doubt better, and yet PS is totally getting away with it. I'm sure if their cross play service is a poorer expensive experience, they'll get away with that as well.

The platform holder only makes the console if it's worth it in terms of the profits they make off of the games that sell on it. If PS felt strongly that wasn't going to be an issue now, or into the future, they would have done cross play already. Saying PS should have to do what pubs/devs want, is like saying people should have to do whatever job or marry whichever person someone else decides. You are your own 'platform' holder, so you decide what's best for you, regardless of the outcome. PS builds and sells the console, so they decide what to do with it, whether it helps them or hinders them. If the devs want cross play so badly, they will either find a way to make their own platform, or they will hold it against PS next gen, which may force them to allow it in some form. If they try to force PS to do it, and PS doesn't want to, then while PS would probably cave initially, you can bet PS would get them back later once they had market leverage again.

Competition is a good thing, and it's the reason things like cross play are even happening in the first place. If XB1 was on par or ahead of PS4 at this point in time, there is no chance they would have bothered with cross play, which also means no cross play for Switch. Without the PS4 being the sales monster it has become this gen, MS would not be offering cross play, so why aren't XB and Nin gamers thanking PS instead of bashing them? PS could have created another PS3 abomination, which would mean XB1 would be more competitive and it would be PS asking for cross play again and MS rejecting it, again.

It does seem odd why PS would offer cross play on PS3, and if PS4 led to forcing MS and even Nin into it, why then won't PS join? Could be as simple as teaching MS a lesson this gen for not joining last gen. Could be because it's not easy to share money when your the one being given it all, no matter who you are. Could be that cross play isn't worth it since XB1 sales aren't gaining any momentum from it. Could be all of that and more. The fact still remains that it's the choice of PS to decide if and how they want to offer cross play, and maybe it will help them, maybe it will hurt them, and maybe it won't make a difference, but it's their choice.



forevercloud3000 on 19 September 2018
Azzanation said:
Mnementh said:

That's the most ridiculous stuff I read in recent time. The business model doesn't break down because of crossplay. The actual effect of crossplay on business is pretty small for the platform holders. 3rd-party devs profit more from it, that's why some of them argue for it. But PS4-sales will not take a nosedive if they allow crossplay, there is no fucking risk of 'internal collapse'.

And no, it is not child-like. Your argument sounds like: "Yeah, Monsanto might cause cancer with their stuff, but they just wanna make money. So everyone criticizing them is childish." Yeah, we are forbidden to criticize company for bad practices? That is childish? Sorry, I'm not a company bot, I am a human, I certainly think we should try to achieve a betterment in companies for the general public. And no, believing this would cause "internal collapse" is just childish bullshit.

I agree with this.

If adding cross play would cost Sony money or lose support than i kind of see Sonys decision, but Cross play has no baring of any mean to effect Sony or Play Station in any way where its a negative. 

Infact not allowing cross play has probably hurt Sony more due to the buisness model aswell as locking peoples accounts.

In my opinion, Sony know how big Fortnite is, and they want to rake in all the revenue for it, afterall Sony dont have many MP games on the market of there own. This is a typical greedy strategy which isnt just exclusive to Sony. I am sure any company with huge support will do the same thing.. But as gamers we should be against corps forcing these anti consumer rules and believing there so called excuses to there reasonings. Its as obvious as the sun why Sony wont do it, not because its a better experience. 

If you believe the bolded then you don't understand buying culture around these things. There is no positive benefit to SONY to unlock their player base to other consoles. All it means is X many people no longer have to have their console in order to play with their base if whom they can play with was a decider in the first place. Userbase has always been a selling point for consoles. So opening that Cross Play door ultimately leads to the loss of console's sold and money.

Their decision to keep it that way, It should be their choice without all these ridiculous market bully tactics. The "industry" right now is demanding Sony take an L on this front so Nintendo and Microsoft can better compete.....the entire premise is ludicrous.

As far as the consumers wanting this, there is seriously no reason for consumers to want this outside being an Xbox or Nintendo user feeling left out. PC and Phone Crossplay is already there. I personally don't NOT want it.....but I am not left out of the larger userbase because I bought a playstation. If friends want to play a game with me they know where I reside. I am seriously just trying to wrap my head around how you people believe Sony should care about the convenience of people who do not buy their products. Can any of you really explain this to me?



      

      

      

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EricHiggin on 20 September 2018
twintail said:
EricHiggin said:

PS online was free, and is now a paid service, and let's be honest, it's because MS got away with it so PS wasn't leaving that stable income on the table. If PS feels they need or have to offer cross play, but don't really want to, whatever their reasons, they can just offer it at unreasonable prices and can have a much more justified reason as to why cross play basically doesn't exist on it's platform. It's much like PS Now. I'm sure they could do a lot more to make that service much better in many ways, but because the service isn't all the great, people just ignore it for the most part. They will just ignore cross play in this situation. The only problem I can see at this point in time, is if PS allowed expensive cross play on PS5, MS could make moves like removing the paywall for free to play games like Fortnite that have accounts, which would again turn up the heat on PS on both fronts. I would assume MS would instead follow the money and keep their paywall and charge (a reasonable amount) for cross play, since they have a valid reason without looking greedy.

Cross-play is going to be a paid service? this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Sony aren't offering cross-play because they want ppl to jump into their eco-system. That is the money play right there. More ppl buying PS4s, hopefully buying PS+, hopefully buying digital games/ items. All of this is money for Sony.

They will offer cross-play as long as they think it wont hurt their growth in any way (meaningful or not), so PS5 could be an introduction point because presumably PS5 will run all PS4 content anyways so existing PS4 owners will just upgrade rather than jump over (not all of course)

First off that's not what I said. Secondly, you either replied to this immediately, or didn't bother to read further posts.



forevercloud3000 on 20 September 2018

I can see the pay wall route happening.

For example, if you want to play on Xbox/Nintendo with Playstation or just to transfer the account you must have an active PS+ membership and account. MS already forces Live accounts on those looking to play Minecraft cross play, it isn't behind a pay wall tho. Honestly that kind of set up at least would not be a total loss for Sony. It also would not contridict the entire edifice of Yearly subscription to any one console. Many don't seem to understand that what you are paying $60/yr for isn't for Server Management alone, you are paying for access to Playstation's Gamer "client" list. Many games online functions run off of the developer's servers, but they have to be given access to clients through Playstation, Xbox, and now Nintendo. A client list is everything in many industries. Access to such is usually charged for.

This is actually a likely scenario going into next gen. Playstation will likely be backwards compatible with PS5 entirely on hardware side. It won't be quite like the PS3 and PS4. Games like Fortnite can be cross compatible with PS4 and PS5. Meaning the PS Brand will have a supreme advantage from the outset.

You want access to the playstation userbase? then you need to pay what that userbase pays. Consumers get what they want and Sony isn't left taking a loss. Boom, problem solved.



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 on 20 September 2018
twintail said:
EricHiggin said:

PS online was free, and is now a paid service, and let's be honest, it's because MS got away with it so PS wasn't leaving that stable income on the table. If PS feels they need or have to offer cross play, but don't really want to, whatever their reasons, they can just offer it at unreasonable prices and can have a much more justified reason as to why cross play basically doesn't exist on it's platform. It's much like PS Now. I'm sure they could do a lot more to make that service much better in many ways, but because the service isn't all the great, people just ignore it for the most part. They will just ignore cross play in this situation. The only problem I can see at this point in time, is if PS allowed expensive cross play on PS5, MS could make moves like removing the paywall for free to play games like Fortnite that have accounts, which would again turn up the heat on PS on both fronts. I would assume MS would instead follow the money and keep their paywall and charge (a reasonable amount) for cross play, since they have a valid reason without looking greedy.

Cross-play is going to be a paid service? this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Sony aren't offering cross-play because they want ppl to jump into their eco-system. That is the money play right there. More ppl buying PS4s, hopefully buying PS+, hopefully buying digital games/ items. All of this is money for Sony.

They will offer cross-play as long as they think it wont hurt their growth in any way (meaningful or not), so PS5 could be an introduction point because presumably PS5 will run all PS4 content anyways so existing PS4 owners will just upgrade rather than jump over (not all of course)

Very much This^



      

      

      

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EricHiggin on 20 September 2018
EricHiggin said:
twintail said:

Cross-play is going to be a paid service? this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Sony aren't offering cross-play because they want ppl to jump into their eco-system. That is the money play right there. More ppl buying PS4s, hopefully buying PS+, hopefully buying digital games/ items. All of this is money for Sony.

They will offer cross-play as long as they think it wont hurt their growth in any way (meaningful or not), so PS5 could be an introduction point because presumably PS5 will run all PS4 content anyways so existing PS4 owners will just upgrade rather than jump over (not all of course)

First off that's not what I said. Secondly, you either replied to this immediately, or didn't bother to read further posts.
twintail said:
EricHiggin said:

First off that's not what I said. Secondly, you either replied to this immediately, or didn't bother to read further posts.

I mean, your exact words were:

If PS feels they need or have to offer cross play, but don't really want to, whatever their reasons, they can just offer it at unreasonable prices and can have a much more justified reason as to why cross play basically doesn't exist on it's platform.

The only problem I can see at this point in time, is if PS allowed expensive cross play on PS5, MS could make moves like removing the paywall for free to play games like Fortnite that have accounts, which would again turn up the heat on PS on both fronts.

How else do you want me to interpret this outside of cross-play as a paid service?

You do realize what you just said right? You point out how crazy and idiotic paying for cross play would be, and then you follow that up with an explanation of all the many ways PS is constantly charging their customers for everything PS related, especially online, which once was free, like cross play is now, except for XB and it's online paywall. Do you not see the flaw in that? It's like saying PS offers free games with their PS Plus online service. No it doesn't. You pay for that service and those monthly games are part of the package.

I don't want you to interpret anything, unless it's a language hindrance. I said "if", meaning certain conditions would need to be met in order for that to take place. Meaning it may or may not happen. You said, "Cross-play is going to be a paid service?", which is worded in a manner meaning a definite outcome. That's not what I said and not what it meant.



EricHiggin on 21 September 2018
twintail said:

I know what I said.

Contrary to the "many ways of constant charging" I only mentioned 1 service related cost. Getting a PS4 or purchasing digital items are not constant charging.

And I don't see the relation between your example at all. Its a bit of stretch if you ask me.

And my original comment was obviously in relation to the idea of cross play being a paid service. your first 'if' example is written as if you think there is a strong possibility of it being true. so my comment stands.

But to make it clear, regardless of conditions or not, I think the idea of charging for cross-play doesn't seem very likely at all.

Constantly. Meaning without pause. Not continually. Meaning repeated frequently in the same way over time. People buying PS products is PS constantly charging for items. People initially buying into a PS service is PS constantly charging for that item, but people renewing PS services is PS continually charging for that item.

You always see the phrase 'free monthly games' used for Live or Plus, but they aren't free, they are part of the service you pay for. You say charging for cross play is ridiculous, yet your required to pay for Live to have access to online gaming and cross play, like for example Fortnite, which is supposed to be a F2P game with free cross play, but neither is true. You say PS charging for cross play makes no sense, when XB is already doing it themselves. Situations like this, typically lead to everyone charging for that service down the road. Just like how online started with Live payments, then Plus, now Switch.

If PS feels the need to or have to. I'm not even close to saying I'm convinced they are. I'm saying it's a possibility if PS feels they are out of options or are backed into a corner, etc. Interpret it how you want, that's what it meant.

We'll find out eventually. If it's not implemented by PS5 then I have a hard time seeing PS changing their minds after that. Things change though. We'll see.



kappie1977 on 21 September 2018
EricHiggin said:
twintail said:

I know what I said.

Contrary to the "many ways of constant charging" I only mentioned 1 service related cost. Getting a PS4 or purchasing digital items are not constant charging.

And I don't see the relation between your example at all. Its a bit of stretch if you ask me.

And my original comment was obviously in relation to the idea of cross play being a paid service. your first 'if' example is written as if you think there is a strong possibility of it being true. so my comment stands.

But to make it clear, regardless of conditions or not, I think the idea of charging for cross-play doesn't seem very likely at all.

Constantly. Meaning without pause. Not continually. Meaning repeated frequently in the same way over time. People buying PS products is PS constantly charging for items. People initially buying into a PS service is PS constantly charging for that item, but people renewing PS services is PS continually charging for that item.

You always see the phrase 'free monthly games' used for Live or Plus, but they aren't free, they are part of the service you pay for. You say charging for cross play is ridiculous, yet your required to pay for Live to have access to online gaming and cross play, like for example Fortnite, which is supposed to be a F2P game with free cross play, but neither is true. You say PS charging for cross play makes no sense, when XB is already doing it themselves. Situations like this, typically lead to everyone charging for that service down the road. Just like how online started with Live payments, then Plus, now Switch.

If PS feels the need to or have to. I'm not even close to saying I'm convinced they are. I'm saying it's a possibility if PS feels they are out of options or are backed into a corner, etc. Interpret it how you want, that's what it meant.

We'll find out eventually. If it's not implemented by PS5 then I have a hard time seeing PS changing their minds after that. Things change though. We'll see.

On PS4 you don't need PS plus to play Fotnite online. On Live and Switch(I presume) you need it.

If people really don't like the closed system of a console, they need to play it on a PC. I think you can have the best experience on PC for this game( I think PC has the biggest user base for Fortnite followed by PS4). Why does everyone complain about this. I don't remember there was so much hustle about not being able to cross play on Xbox 360 type and on PS3 had it already.



couchmonkey on 21 September 2018
kappie1977 said:
EricHiggin said:

Constantly. Meaning without pause. Not continually. Meaning repeated frequently in the same way over time. People buying PS products is PS constantly charging for items. People initially buying into a PS service is PS constantly charging for that item, but people renewing PS services is PS continually charging for that item.

You always see the phrase 'free monthly games' used for Live or Plus, but they aren't free, they are part of the service you pay for. You say charging for cross play is ridiculous, yet your required to pay for Live to have access to online gaming and cross play, like for example Fortnite, which is supposed to be a F2P game with free cross play, but neither is true. You say PS charging for cross play makes no sense, when XB is already doing it themselves. Situations like this, typically lead to everyone charging for that service down the road. Just like how online started with Live payments, then Plus, now Switch.

If PS feels the need to or have to. I'm not even close to saying I'm convinced they are. I'm saying it's a possibility if PS feels they are out of options or are backed into a corner, etc. Interpret it how you want, that's what it meant.

We'll find out eventually. If it's not implemented by PS5 then I have a hard time seeing PS changing their minds after that. Things change though. We'll see.

On PS4 you don't need PS plus to play Fotnite online. On Live and Switch(I presume) you need it.

If people really don't like the closed system of a console, they need to play it on a PC. I think you can have the best experience on PC for this game( I think PC has the biggest user base for Fortnite followed by PS4). Why does everyone complain about this. I don't remember there was so much hustle about not being able to cross play on Xbox 360 type and on PS3 had it already.

So far on Switch you don't need the pay service to play; but it is brand new so we shall see.



Azzanation on 22 September 2018

forevercloud3000 said:

If you believe the bolded then you don't understand buying culture around these things. There is no positive benefit to SONY to unlock their player base to other consoles. All it means is X many people no longer have to have their console in order to play with their base if whom they can play with was a decider in the first place. Userbase has always been a selling point for consoles. So opening that Cross Play door ultimately leads to the loss of console's sold and money.

Their decision to keep it that way, It should be their choice without all these ridiculous market bully tactics. The "industry" right now is demanding Sony take an L on this front so Nintendo and Microsoft can better compete.....the entire premise is ludicrous.

As far as the consumers wanting this, there is seriously no reason for consumers to want this outside being an Xbox or Nintendo user feeling left out. PC and Phone Crossplay is already there. I personally don't NOT want it.....but I am not left out of the larger userbase because I bought a playstation. If friends want to play a game with me they know where I reside. I am seriously just trying to wrap my head around how you people believe Sony should care about the convenience of people who do not buy their products. Can any of you really explain this to me?

This is not just with gamers but the world as a whole see this as nothing more than greed. Sony want the monopoly and no matter how far ahead they are in sales or profits, they simply don't want to do a good deed for the gamers. I could understand completely if they were struggling and required gamers to play on there platforms but when you are top dog of sales, why is it an issue? If anything, saying no to this is hurting Sony more than it would by allowing Cross-play.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/fortnite-playstation-crossplay-sony-xbox-nintendo-switch-gaming.html

Replied to the bold - This doesn't just affect Xbox or Nintendo owners, it also affects PlayStation owners that want to link up with there friends. How could you not see that? You are only looking at this through your own eyes, and it seems you are quite happy to screw your friends over on this as well. Guess they need to buy that PS4 to play Fortnite with you correct? That's pretty much how you sound in your post.

Also its the PR behind the whole issue. If Sony say that PlayStation is the superior experience than they should have no problem allowing cross play because all those PS4 gamers shouldn't jump ship because of that superior experience.

No one is forcing Sony to take the L on this topic, Sony themselves are taking the L and by doing so, slapping there own customers in the face. Sony should be just staying quiet on the matter rather than say things like that. 

I would say the exact same thing to any other company that follows this route as well.