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Forums - Sales Discussion - June 2014 NPD Thread! PS4: 269k, XBO: 197k, Wii U: 140k

BenVTrigger said:
Kresnik said:
I realise I've already put a stop to one part of the commotion in here, but please calm down.

And also stop quoting each other without shortening the quote trees first. Conegamer is having a heart attack in mod chat.

Im sorry anyone who knows me here knows thats out of character for me.

Im just tired of dealing with these same people post stalking me so in done with all leaks and numbers other than officially released one


Don't worry bout the silly people BenV! What you said was always valuable and insightful and I think anyone with a rational brain and half an attention span knows clearly why the results are what they are  You told the truth and some people don't understand that things change week to week. As far as I can tell the $399 SKU produced a microcosm of the front loaded sales effect, and then heavily dropped through the month. Obviously this has to do with such an extreme early announcement. All people had to do was compare April to May to understand that.

Anyway, don't let the nutters get you down, you're a good dude.



Here's what people need to understand : if xb1 had averaged 40k/week evenly throughout the month, 200k is a fine result. Unfortunately that looks clearly unlikely, week one was assumably terrible, week two was bananas huge, then weeks three through five were way way down from week two. Where the problem comes is: did the week 3-5 sales dip back to pre $399 SKU baselines? Below? Because those were sales so poor that they essentially gave up the kinect promise for. Remember that the entire Xbox business model is based on supporting itself with mass numbers, and launching a new flagship console is eye wateringly expensive. If I'm correct in guessing that the sales are now as bad as preannouncement 399 sales, then July numbers will confirm what I'm saying, and xb1 will be in hella deep poop. Next up on the board is a big price cut, since all the big titles this year look like multiplats tbh. I think Destiny will dwarf everything else.



Ka-pi96 said:

But that's not really anything to do with beating PS4. Yeah some more sales would be great but the way you put it makes it sound like a failure solely because something else did better. Hypothetically if Xbox One sold 5 million in a month but PS4 sold 6 million would that be a failure because it was still behind, or can something be considered a success without being number 1?

Actually these numbers are not great for a console that just had a $100 pricecut. This is not even comparing it to the PS4. MS would of expected a lot better.

The numbers just look great against the abysmal month of May.

A bit of maths to see how well it actually did.

77k for 4 week May, that 19.25k a week. If it was a 5 week May like this June month it would of sold 96.25.

Now if we take a look at the PS4 numbers to gauge the natural increase from May to June, June usually sell more consoles in May (because the PS4 had nothing out of the norm happen so should give us a good idea of the natural increase).

May PS4  - Avg 49.25 a week (X1 19.25k)

June PS4 - Avg 53.8k a week (X1 39.4k)

So thats roughly a 10% naturally increase

so if we increase the X1 May numbers by 10% we get 106k

Take that away from the the June numbers and we get 91k.

So the X1 price cut increase sales by 91k

So while it's debatable if it's a good increase or not, you can factor in the claims that less people bought a X1 in May to wait for June pricecut. If that is true than that increase is less than great. Also after the sales spike, expect this to offset the the increase for next month. The other consoles mightget a natural increase in July while the X1 might not increase at all or not as much.



Worse, I think the xb1 will return to April weekly rate or worse.



Turkish said:
BenVTrigger said:

Well if it makes you fucking happy im not gonna ever discuss fucking numbers again

Stop stalking my fucking posts every god damn thread

Im done with this fucking shit and sick of these posters with clear cut fucking agendas dragging my name through the mud every time they see something they dont believe or accept.

So there. Hopefully your fucking happy and I never have to talk to you again.

I'm not sure why you are so aggressive. If you just disclosed your info was about 1 gamestop everytime we wouldnt have to call you out and you wouldnt need to get angry. And no I'm not following all of your posts, if I was stalking your posts I would've known that you once somewhere sometime mentioned that your numbers come from 1 store only, but I didn't and thats why we're having this conversation. If your numbers come only from 1 store, it doesn't really matter who is winning who in your specific store because it's not representative at all, but feel free to post them, just don't be vague about the size of your data. Otherwise people will keep on assuming they're all of Gamestop and come npd time you might have similar encounters with some of them.

 

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My numbers come from FAR more than 1 store. Not sure where that narrative started. Theres mods here who have seen it in PMs



BenVTrigger said:
Turkish said:
BenVTrigger said:

Well if it makes you fucking happy im not gonna ever discuss fucking numbers again

Stop stalking my fucking posts every god damn thread

Im done with this fucking shit and sick of these posters with clear cut fucking agendas dragging my name through the mud every time they see something they dont believe or accept.

So there. Hopefully your fucking happy and I never have to talk to you again.

I'm not sure why you are so aggressive. If you just disclosed your info was about 1 gamestop everytime we wouldnt have to call you out and you wouldnt need to get angry. And no I'm not following all of your posts, if I was stalking your posts I would've known that you once somewhere sometime mentioned that your numbers come from 1 store only, but I didn't and thats why we're having this conversation. If your numbers come only from 1 store, it doesn't really matter who is winning who in your specific store because it's not representative at all, but feel free to post them, just don't be vague about the size of your data. Otherwise people will keep on assuming they're all of Gamestop and come npd time you might have similar encounters with some of them.

 

Quote Tree Shortened - Conegamer

My numbers come from FAR more than 1 store. Not sure where that narrative started. Theres mods here who have seen it in PMs

cool :) anyway what types of games do you see get bought the most? 



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

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Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

BenVTrigger said:

My numbers come from FAR more than 1 store. Not sure where that narrative started. Theres mods here who have seen it in PMs


^

Yep.

I can vouch for Ben 100%. Granted his data may not line up with national numbers all the time, but Ben has a great track record with things he says (The new Destiny White PS4 SKU for example) and things he "leaks". People need to remember that the industry is a lot bigger than just Gamestop. Ben has no idea at all how other retailers do and we shouldnt expect him to know.

Get off his balls. Be happy with what he gives.



                            

Xboxes "flying off shelves":






Turkish said:
BenVTrigger said:

Well if it makes you fucking happy im not gonna ever discuss fucking numbers again

Stop stalking my fucking posts every god damn thread

Im done with this fucking shit and sick of these posters with clear cut fucking agendas dragging my name through the mud every time they see something they dont believe or accept.

So there. Hopefully your fucking happy and I never have to talk to you again.

I'm not sure why you are so aggressive. If you just disclosed your info was about 1 gamestop everytime we wouldnt have to call you out and you wouldnt need to get angry. And no I'm not following all of your posts, if I was stalking your posts I would've known that you once somewhere sometime mentioned that your numbers come from 1 store only, but I didn't and thats why we're having this conversation. If your numbers come only from 1 store, it doesn't really matter who is winning who in your specific store because it's not representative at all, but feel free to post them, just don't be vague about the size of your data. Otherwise people will keep on assuming they're all of Gamestop and come npd time you might have similar encounters with some of them.

 

Quote Tree Shortened - Conegamer


I have not even been on this site as long as you have and I knew the information BenV gave was regarding gamestop and his numbers have always only refelcted that. Heck it's not like what he said wasn't true because it could have infact been very true. You just seem to be reaching for something to argue about to be honest. BenV has an EXCELLENT track record with the information and leaks that he gives. So why give him a hard time over something that is basically NOTHING....seems silly on your part if you ask me. Especially seeing as NPD takes into account the WAY more places......your comments just seemed to be starting mess for no real reason. Didn't mean to jump in but it just kind of threw me off...



The absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence...

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Late to the party but woah, did not think the PS4 would be this much ahead of the XB1, in fact I thought the XB1 would jst squeeze out a victory. I wouldn't call it a nail in the coffin but this has to be a morale killer to be sold out by your competitor by 70k during the month of you new SKU/price cut