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Carl on 14 January 2011
RolStoppable said:
Carl2291 said:
palancas7 said:

Found this on Gaf

Best NPD months:

1.) Wii Dec 2009: 3.81 million
7.) Wii Dec 2010: 2.36 million
 
So this was Wii's 2nd best December ever.  Yet some people are still with their finger on the panic button.

I imagine that some people have their fingers on the panic button because the Wii is down by 1.45 Million units on last Years tally.

Wouldn't celebration button be a more fitting term?

Yeah but I didn't want Maxwell or dunno to ban me.



                            

Alby_da_Wolf on 14 January 2011
Carl2291 said:
palancas7 said:

Found this on Gaf

Best NPD months:

1.) Wii Dec 2009: 3.81 million
7.) Wii Dec 2010: 2.36 million
 
So this was Wii's 2nd best December ever.  Yet some people are still with their finger on the panic button.

I imagine that some people have their fingers on the panic button because the Wii is down by 1.45 Million units on last Years tally.

My theory is that they mistook the panic button for a clit.

 

OT ...I didnn't go dancing because I was too sleepy and now, instead of sleeping, I'm hanging around the net...   



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TGS, Third Grade Shooter: brand new genre invented by Kevin Butler exclusively for Natal WiiToo Kinect. PEW! PEW-PEW-PEW!   


Slimebeast on 14 January 2011
TheSource said:

December 2008 really could have been much higher for Wii if they had supplied more, 5m was theoretically possible - thats why Wii sold so well in Q1 2009 (2m) even after doing 5m in Oct-Dec 2008.

What, don't tell me Wii was supply constrained too? I have a hard time believing that. What's the evidence?

Christian973 said:
MANUELF said:

So we had Epic Mickey lower worldwide than its United Statians sales alone according to NPD? WOWWWW


Epic mickey probably has sold 2 million worldwide by now. VGChartz has it severly undertracked.

2 million? That's incredible if true. I'm hoping for a port to HD.

 



D-Joe on 15 January 2011

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=418652

If you want to look at the recent holiday season as "Round 1" of the motion controls battle between Microsoft and Sony, it would appear that Microsoft's Kinect is winning handily (bad pun, considering that it's "hands free" gaming). Not only has Kinect quickly shipped 8 million units, but for the month of December, Xbox 360 Kinect bundles outsold PS3 Move bundles considerably. The software for the motion camera is faring far better too, according to Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter.

"About one fifth of PS3 sales included bundles with Sony’s Move controller, suggesting a modest third month (we have chosen not to subscribe to peripheral data). About half of Xbox 360 sales included bundles with Microsoft’s Kinect peripheral, as Xbox 360 Kinect console bundles outsold PS3 Move console bundles by 5:1," Pachter said.

"Microsoft announced that it has shipped 8 million Kinect units since launch (in November), which was raised from its earlier goal of 5 million. More significantly, in our view, the top two selling Kinect software titles outsold the top two Move titles by over 13:1."



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XxXProphecyXxX on 15 January 2011
CGI-Quality said:
landguy1 said:
Killiana1a said:

I could go on a rant calling out those who hyped Gran Turismo 5, but my honor prevents me from doing so. Instead, it's measly 500k in December 2010 will just make me chuckle smugly at how right many others and I, who tried to temper the Gran Turismo 5 hype train, were. If you cannot top 1 million in December, then those legs must be pretty damn short.

Congratulations to Nintendo and Microsoft, your hard work paid off and both of you deserve all the praise and accolades you are getting. The detraction is just from those who wanted you to fail, pay the haterade no attention because trying to reason with haters is like trying to reason with an emotionally distraught child.

R.I.P. Sony Move, you like Sega and Atari are showing us how vain appealing to the "core" is. Instead of focusing on the family, you are ignorantly pandered to a niche minority and it will be the death of you. I hope your demise comes quick because no one or platform deserves a slow, pathetic death with spectators whispering "I told ya so."

I am not a sony guy, as I do prefer the 360 in most cases.  However, GT5 being at 5.5M isn't a failure at any rate.  I am sure that by the end of the year, it will have another 2-3M.  I don't own GT5 and don't have any plans to get it.  Just think that the PS3 isn't going anywhere...  Atleast not up to 2nd this generation.

In November, Killiana1a said:

I am fully aware of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue and it's 3.99 (http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=Gran Turismo Prologue) sales since it was released in 2007.

Prologue's lifetime numbers are in line with my GT5 lifetime predictions. My estimate of 4 million is a tad higher.

The biggest spats I have been reading here mainly concerns GT5 vs. past GT games lifetime sales and first week sales.

There is nothing in Gran Turismo 5's preorders, currently, to make me believe there is more hype beyond the 260,000 preroders for Gran Turismo 5 to break the million barrier in it's first week.


I have my predictions, I am sticking to them regardless of any spin from individuals who have anything more than a minor passing of pride invested in them becoming true. It ain't like I am losing money or parts of my brain. I can do that by myself.

2.3-2.5 million week 1 is what you have put forth and many are following. What if the numbers come in at 2.2m, 2.1m, 1.9m, or 1.5m? How will you react?

Furthermore, if my prediction is ludicrous then why do others feel the need to respond to it? If the Prologue sales were any indicator, then shouldn't worries have already been assuaged to the point where others don't feel the need to respond to my prediction? Do I sense a tad bit of doubt that if GT5 doesn't reach 10 million in 6 months time, then others will feel some sort of loss?

 


The game has done much lower than many expected in just one region (Japan). It's done about what I thought it would do, thus far, in the Americas and significantly better in EMEAA. It seems that some who thought it wouldn't do nearly as good as it has can't admit they were wrong and move on. They also measure GT5's sales by other games outside of it's genre. It's not that big of a big deal, but let's at least be consistent.


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Killiana1a on 15 January 2011
CGI-Quality said:
landguy1 said:
Killiana1a said:

I could go on a rant calling out those who hyped Gran Turismo 5, but my honor prevents me from doing so. Instead, it's measly 500k in December 2010 will just make me chuckle smugly at how right many others and I, who tried to temper the Gran Turismo 5 hype train, were. If you cannot top 1 million in December, then those legs must be pretty damn short.

Congratulations to Nintendo and Microsoft, your hard work paid off and both of you deserve all the praise and accolades you are getting. The detraction is just from those who wanted you to fail, pay the haterade no attention because trying to reason with haters is like trying to reason with an emotionally distraught child.

R.I.P. Sony Move, you like Sega and Atari are showing us how vain appealing to the "core" is. Instead of focusing on the family, you are ignorantly pandered to a niche minority and it will be the death of you. I hope your demise comes quick because no one or platform deserves a slow, pathetic death with spectators whispering "I told ya so."

I am not a sony guy, as I do prefer the 360 in most cases.  However, GT5 being at 5.5M isn't a failure at any rate.  I am sure that by the end of the year, it will have another 2-3M.  I don't own GT5 and don't have any plans to get it.  Just think that the PS3 isn't going anywhere...  Atleast not up to 2nd this generation.

In November, Killiana1a said:

I am fully aware of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue and it's 3.99 (http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=Gran Turismo Prologue) sales since it was released in 2007.

Prologue's lifetime numbers are in line with my GT5 lifetime predictions. My estimate of 4 million is a tad higher.

The biggest spats I have been reading here mainly concerns GT5 vs. past GT games lifetime sales and first week sales.

There is nothing in Gran Turismo 5's preorders, currently, to make me believe there is more hype beyond the 260,000 preroders for Gran Turismo 5 to break the million barrier in it's first week.


I have my predictions, I am sticking to them regardless of any spin from individuals who have anything more than a minor passing of pride invested in them becoming true. It ain't like I am losing money or parts of my brain. I can do that by myself.

2.3-2.5 million week 1 is what you have put forth and many are following. What if the numbers come in at 2.2m, 2.1m, 1.9m, or 1.5m? How will you react?

Furthermore, if my prediction is ludicrous then why do others feel the need to respond to it? If the Prologue sales were any indicator, then shouldn't worries have already been assuaged to the point where others don't feel the need to respond to my prediction? Do I sense a tad bit of doubt that if GT5 doesn't reach 10 million in 6 months time, then others will feel some sort of loss?

The game has done much lower than many expected in just one region (Japan). It's done about what I thought it would do, thus far, in the Americas and significantly better in EMEAA. It seems that some who thought it wouldn't do nearly as good as it has can't admit they were wrong and move on. They also measure GT5's sales by other games outside of it's genre. It's not that big of a big deal, but let's at least be consistent.

I was having such a pleasant exchange with Alby until you had to drag up the past. We have had this discussion before CGI-Quality. Funny how you fail to mention my last post in the thread you quoted me from:

I am merely restating my prediction from a Solid_Snake4RD thread. Yes, I low-balled it to both agitate and fall at the lower end as some in that thread are predicting 11 millio plus lifetime and 4 to 5 million first week. Someone had to drag up the bottom.

I can tell you now my prediction will be wrong if you or I take it at face value.

My internal prediction, which some may be taken aback at after thoroughly hating my low prediction is 1.2 million first week and 9.5 million lifetime.

I apologize for changing it up and pushing buttons. I never mean for anyone to take it personally, nor for anyone including myself to become as predictable in their posting as a Malstrom blog post. Call it hypocrisy, but in the industry in which I work we have to change our approach and demeanor on a dime because the clients we serve, along with all humans, are not predictable creatures. We do have our set habits, but those can be subject to change on a whim if the individual so desires or if compelled to.

I guess that is a long-winded way of saying I am a hypocrite, you are too, so what is the fuss all about?

-Killiana1a, "Gran Turismo 5 will fail to sell..." http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=117968&page=53

As for you, here is what you said in the same thread:

A PS4 release is at the very least, 2 years away. Also, "the age of shooters" is irrelevant, because if it weren't, previous PlayStation franchises with iterations this gen would have been heavily affected. Well, God of War & Metal Gear Solid had no problems, I doubt Sony's biggest franchise will have problems. It will likely clear 10 - 11 million without too much hassle, but not outsell GT3.

-CGI-Quality, "Gran Turismo 5 will fail to sell..." http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=117968&page=3

I don't want to get this thread anymore off-track than it is already, but neither of us is in the right. I trolled GT5 because of the Jesus level hype it was receiving. It was deserving to be trolled. I will do the same for Gears of War 3 because I am deeply unsatisfied with the series after Gears of War.

So yes, I admit to low-balling and trolling. Furthermore, I am going to equal opportunity troll Gears of War 3 once it's hype train starts. Hold me to this because I want to be "consistent" as you said.

As for the others saying I was "PWNED," do your homework and bring a pencil to class before laughing at other's mishaps. All of us have been wrong and will be wrong again. I did not ask for this, but I deserved like I will deserve it if I am wrong in my Gears of War 3 predictions.



Slimebeast on 15 January 2011
RolStoppable said:
Slimebeast said:
TheSource said:

December 2008 really could have been much higher for Wii if they had supplied more, 5m was theoretically possible - thats why Wii sold so well in Q1 2009 (2m) even after doing 5m in Oct-Dec 2008.

What, don't tell me Wii was supply constrained too? I have a hard time believing that. What's the evidence?

That the Wii continued to be sold out until spring. Note that the post you quoted says 2008, not 2010.

Oops.



Hynad on 15 January 2011
Killiana1a said:
CGI-Quality said:
landguy1 said:
Killiana1a said:

I could go on a rant calling out those who hyped Gran Turismo 5, but my honor prevents me from doing so. Instead, it's measly 500k in December 2010 will just make me chuckle smugly at how right many others and I, who tried to temper the Gran Turismo 5 hype train, were. If you cannot top 1 million in December, then those legs must be pretty damn short.

Congratulations to Nintendo and Microsoft, your hard work paid off and both of you deserve all the praise and accolades you are getting. The detraction is just from those who wanted you to fail, pay the haterade no attention because trying to reason with haters is like trying to reason with an emotionally distraught child.

R.I.P. Sony Move, you like Sega and Atari are showing us how vain appealing to the "core" is. Instead of focusing on the family, you are ignorantly pandered to a niche minority and it will be the death of you. I hope your demise comes quick because no one or platform deserves a slow, pathetic death with spectators whispering "I told ya so."

I am not a sony guy, as I do prefer the 360 in most cases.  However, GT5 being at 5.5M isn't a failure at any rate.  I am sure that by the end of the year, it will have another 2-3M.  I don't own GT5 and don't have any plans to get it.  Just think that the PS3 isn't going anywhere...  Atleast not up to 2nd this generation.

In November, Killiana1a said:

I am fully aware of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue and it's 3.99 (http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=Gran Turismo Prologue) sales since it was released in 2007.

Prologue's lifetime numbers are in line with my GT5 lifetime predictions. My estimate of 4 million is a tad higher.

The biggest spats I have been reading here mainly concerns GT5 vs. past GT games lifetime sales and first week sales.

There is nothing in Gran Turismo 5's preorders, currently, to make me believe there is more hype beyond the 260,000 preroders for Gran Turismo 5 to break the million barrier in it's first week.


I have my predictions, I am sticking to them regardless of any spin from individuals who have anything more than a minor passing of pride invested in them becoming true. It ain't like I am losing money or parts of my brain. I can do that by myself.

2.3-2.5 million week 1 is what you have put forth and many are following. What if the numbers come in at 2.2m, 2.1m, 1.9m, or 1.5m? How will you react?

Furthermore, if my prediction is ludicrous then why do others feel the need to respond to it? If the Prologue sales were any indicator, then shouldn't worries have already been assuaged to the point where others don't feel the need to respond to my prediction? Do I sense a tad bit of doubt that if GT5 doesn't reach 10 million in 6 months time, then others will feel some sort of loss?

The game has done much lower than many expected in just one region (Japan). It's done about what I thought it would do, thus far, in the Americas and significantly better in EMEAA. It seems that some who thought it wouldn't do nearly as good as it has can't admit they were wrong and move on. They also measure GT5's sales by other games outside of it's genre. It's not that big of a big deal, but let's at least be consistent.

I was having such a pleasant exchange with Alby until you had to drag up the past. We have had this discussion before CGI-Quality. Funny how you fail to mention my last post in the thread you quoted me from:

I am merely restating my prediction from a Solid_Snake4RD thread. Yes, I low-balled it to both agitate and fall at the lower end as some in that thread are predicting 11 millio plus lifetime and 4 to 5 million first week. Someone had to drag up the bottom.

I can tell you now my prediction will be wrong if you or I take it at face value.

My internal prediction, which some may be taken aback at after thoroughly hating my low prediction is 1.2 million first week and 9.5 million lifetime.

I apologize for changing it up and pushing buttons. I never mean for anyone to take it personally, nor for anyone including myself to become as predictable in their posting as a Malstrom blog post. Call it hypocrisy, but in the industry in which I work we have to change our approach and demeanor on a dime because the clients we serve, along with all humans, are not predictable creatures. We do have our set habits, but those can be subject to change on a whim if the individual so desires or if compelled to.

I guess that is a long-winded way of saying I am a hypocrite, you are too, so what is the fuss all about?

-Killiana1a, "Gran Turismo 5 will fail to sell..." http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=117968&page=53

As for you, here is what you said in the same thread:

A PS4 release is at the very least, 2 years away. Also, "the age of shooters" is irrelevant, because if it weren't, previous PlayStation franchises with iterations this gen would have been heavily affected. Well, God of War & Metal Gear Solid had no problems, I doubt Sony's biggest franchise will have problems. It will likely clear 10 - 11 million without too much hassle, but not outsell GT3.

-CGI-Quality, "Gran Turismo 5 will fail to sell..." http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=117968&page=3

I don't want to get this thread anymore off-track than it is already, but neither of us is in the right. I trolled GT5 because of the Jesus level hype it was receiving. It was deserving to be trolled. I will do the same for Gears of War 3 because I am deeply unsatisfied with the series after Gears of War.

So yes, I admit to low-balling and trolling. Furthermore, I am going to equal opportunity troll Gears of War 3 once it's hype train starts. Hold me to this because I want to be "consistent" as you said.

As for the others saying I was "PWNED," do your homework and bring a pencil to class before laughing at other's mishaps. All of us have been wrong and will be wrong again. I did not ask for this, but I deserved like I will deserve it if I am wrong in my Gears of War 3 predictions.


How was CGI_Quality wrong there?  As far as we all know, GT5 is still selling. ¬_¬  



Killiana1a on 15 January 2011
Hynad said:
Killiana1a said:
CGI-Quality said:
landguy1 said:
Killiana1a said:

I could go on a rant calling out those who hyped Gran Turismo 5, but my honor prevents me from doing so. Instead, it's measly 500k in December 2010 will just make me chuckle smugly at how right many others and I, who tried to temper the Gran Turismo 5 hype train, were. If you cannot top 1 million in December, then those legs must be pretty damn short.

Congratulations to Nintendo and Microsoft, your hard work paid off and both of you deserve all the praise and accolades you are getting. The detraction is just from those who wanted you to fail, pay the haterade no attention because trying to reason with haters is like trying to reason with an emotionally distraught child.

R.I.P. Sony Move, you like Sega and Atari are showing us how vain appealing to the "core" is. Instead of focusing on the family, you are ignorantly pandered to a niche minority and it will be the death of you. I hope your demise comes quick because no one or platform deserves a slow, pathetic death with spectators whispering "I told ya so."

I am not a sony guy, as I do prefer the 360 in most cases.  However, GT5 being at 5.5M isn't a failure at any rate.  I am sure that by the end of the year, it will have another 2-3M.  I don't own GT5 and don't have any plans to get it.  Just think that the PS3 isn't going anywhere...  Atleast not up to 2nd this generation.

In November, Killiana1a said:

I am fully aware of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue and it's 3.99 (http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=Gran Turismo Prologue) sales since it was released in 2007.

Prologue's lifetime numbers are in line with my GT5 lifetime predictions. My estimate of 4 million is a tad higher.

The biggest spats I have been reading here mainly concerns GT5 vs. past GT games lifetime sales and first week sales.

There is nothing in Gran Turismo 5's preorders, currently, to make me believe there is more hype beyond the 260,000 preroders for Gran Turismo 5 to break the million barrier in it's first week.


I have my predictions, I am sticking to them regardless of any spin from individuals who have anything more than a minor passing of pride invested in them becoming true. It ain't like I am losing money or parts of my brain. I can do that by myself.

2.3-2.5 million week 1 is what you have put forth and many are following. What if the numbers come in at 2.2m, 2.1m, 1.9m, or 1.5m? How will you react?

Furthermore, if my prediction is ludicrous then why do others feel the need to respond to it? If the Prologue sales were any indicator, then shouldn't worries have already been assuaged to the point where others don't feel the need to respond to my prediction? Do I sense a tad bit of doubt that if GT5 doesn't reach 10 million in 6 months time, then others will feel some sort of loss?

The game has done much lower than many expected in just one region (Japan). It's done about what I thought it would do, thus far, in the Americas and significantly better in EMEAA. It seems that some who thought it wouldn't do nearly as good as it has can't admit they were wrong and move on. They also measure GT5's sales by other games outside of it's genre. It's not that big of a big deal, but let's at least be consistent.

I was having such a pleasant exchange with Alby until you had to drag up the past. We have had this discussion before CGI-Quality. Funny how you fail to mention my last post in the thread you quoted me from:

I am merely restating my prediction from a Solid_Snake4RD thread. Yes, I low-balled it to both agitate and fall at the lower end as some in that thread are predicting 11 millio plus lifetime and 4 to 5 million first week. Someone had to drag up the bottom.

I can tell you now my prediction will be wrong if you or I take it at face value.

My internal prediction, which some may be taken aback at after thoroughly hating my low prediction is 1.2 million first week and 9.5 million lifetime.

I apologize for changing it up and pushing buttons. I never mean for anyone to take it personally, nor for anyone including myself to become as predictable in their posting as a Malstrom blog post. Call it hypocrisy, but in the industry in which I work we have to change our approach and demeanor on a dime because the clients we serve, along with all humans, are not predictable creatures. We do have our set habits, but those can be subject to change on a whim if the individual so desires or if compelled to.

I guess that is a long-winded way of saying I am a hypocrite, you are too, so what is the fuss all about?

-Killiana1a, "Gran Turismo 5 will fail to sell..." http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=117968&page=53

As for you, here is what you said in the same thread:

A PS4 release is at the very least, 2 years away. Also, "the age of shooters" is irrelevant, because if it weren't, previous PlayStation franchises with iterations this gen would have been heavily affected. Well, God of War & Metal Gear Solid had no problems, I doubt Sony's biggest franchise will have problems. It will likely clear 10 - 11 million without too much hassle, but not outsell GT3.

-CGI-Quality, "Gran Turismo 5 will fail to sell..." http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=117968&page=3

I don't want to get this thread anymore off-track than it is already, but neither of us is in the right. I trolled GT5 because of the Jesus level hype it was receiving. It was deserving to be trolled. I will do the same for Gears of War 3 because I am deeply unsatisfied with the series after Gears of War.

So yes, I admit to low-balling and trolling. Furthermore, I am going to equal opportunity troll Gears of War 3 once it's hype train starts. Hold me to this because I want to be "consistent" as you said.

As for the others saying I was "PWNED," do your homework and bring a pencil to class before laughing at other's mishaps. All of us have been wrong and will be wrong again. I did not ask for this, but I deserved like I will deserve it if I am wrong in my Gears of War 3 predictions.


How was CGI_Quality wrong there?  As far as we all know, GT5 is still selling. ¬_¬  

Nobody is wrong, I felt compelled to respond because he did not give a complete picture of the story from the thread.

I just wanted to put it to rest is all. No hard feelings or anger from me. More like "oh this again" and having to clarify the fuzziness a little bit.



Slimebeast on 15 January 2011

Where are NPD software numbers? (hard numbers, not the top 10 list) Any in this thread been posted yet?