actually oblivions gameplay is fun

Don't worry man, I know :P

I'm just pissed off that pepole treat the WRPG genre like it was invented with KotOR.

(And "Square" didn't make DQ5, Enix did)

I actually should've voted for Square too, since Squaresoft was my favorite company ever (Xenogears, Chrono Trigger/Cross, FF6,7,9 etc.) but I voted for "other" out of spite.

And the thing about fans, you can be damn sure that a decade from now, there will be more pepole who talk about PS:T than ME, KotOR and any of this generations "big WRPGs".

Yes pokemon gold remake

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then the world you live in is a fake one

what a weird thing to say

Yep, that's why I said at the beginning of my post that people are only evaluating this for what these companies are currently doing, not for what they have achieved through time. PS:T is one of those classics that will stand the test of time, pretty much like Deus Ex or System Shock 2

I know about Enix doing DQ5, just look at my first post, I separated Square between Squaresoft/Enix and post Square-Enix days ;) 

Which parts are fun for you?

Take any system in that game and then compare it to any other game with that same system (even from the time it was released). 

Another huge hint the game is so flawed should be that the PC version has so many user-made fixes to fix all the insane amounts of problems with that game.

And of course you could say all those user-made fixes make the game better, but to that I say how does releasing a game that needs all those fixes make it so good?  Shouldn't it be the users that are congratulated and not the ones that released the broken game in the first place?

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It was fun using the sword & using magic. Assigning buttons for the magic.

The gameplay was smooth and action based, not command based which was different for me in a RPG.

Clicking R3 to sneak was always fun, & then shooting bows was even more fun in that way.

The lockpicking thing was excellent & addictive for me.

I know you have a dislike for this game, i know this ever since I joined, but know this, most of us enjoyed the gameplay a lot, there is no techincal reason to say "why" we enjoyed it, but we did, it was fun, fluid, quick & not taxing.

No it probably wasn't the best system if we compare it to other games, but it was fun, addictive & there's a reason I have 200 hours sunk into it.

That's the thing though.  People talk about WRPGs like they're 'fresh and new' because to many gamers they are just that, new to WRPGs.  They grew up either never playing RPGs or only experienced RPGs like Final Fantasy.  And now there's a whole new breed of highly funded and highly advertised RPG, made from the west, and they're mesmorized (and highly advosarial towards JRPGs for reasons unknown).

As for what games people will be talking about in 10 years, that's unknown.  However, it has been 10 years and people are still talking about games like Diablo II, Morrowind and Dues EX.  But on the JRPG side, they are also still talking about Final Fantasy VII, Dragon Quest V, Pokemon (any) and Mario RPG.  Will these games really be forgotten in another 10 years?  I hardly think so.  If anything, this recent surge of WRPG love is most likely just a sign of exactly what I was talking about before.  WRPGs getting a lot more marketing and higher production values in the last 10 years.  JRPGs need to step up their game and meet the standards WRPGs have created in the west.  JRPGs are still doing good in terms of quantity, its the quality they're iffy on this generation.  Mostly because all the good JRPGs seem to be going to handhelds and the console JRPGs are hit and miss.  And regardless if there's a good JRPG, console or handheld, only a select few get any marketing.  And none on the level of say Mass Effect or Fallout 3.

I posted other for Sega, their rpgs rock