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Which would sell more - FFXIII Wii or FFXIII HD

HD 215 79.63%
 
Wii 55 20.37%
 
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Pristine20 on 16 January 2010
jarrod said:
Pristine20 said:
jarrod said:
Pristine20 said:
jarrod said:
Pristine20 said:
Kasz216 said:

Can't really say. It's pretty obvious FF XIII Wii would of sold more in Japan.

However for the west.... it depends how big of a western hit it is... on the 360... I'd say.

Higher userbase doesn't always equate to higher sales. Perhaps that would be the case if FF13 was announced as a wii game from the start but even then, I doubt it because FFXIII sold pretty similar to its previous iterations on ps3s meager userbase alone.

Larger userbases do affect upper limits of sales... Wii's best selling game in Japan is at 3.6m, PS3's is at 1.8m.

I'd say a Wii FFXIII would've matched FFX (and exceeded FFXIII PS3) for sales in Japan.  In the west is where it would tumble though, as I think a lot of FF's expanded western audience are more PlayStation faithful, plus big Japanese 360 games tend to do well regardless.

lol, the hate for FFXIII is why it hasn't done as well as FFX. People complaining about one thing after the other. It's on track to be more hated than FFXII. Except the wii version of FFXIII was going to a completely different game, I dont see how your idea would come to fruition. Right now, my view of a wii version is the same FFXIII with a much lower res presentation. If anything the ps3 has the extra few who just bought it because the graphics were great (I personally know people like this).

Your idea would only apply to a more mainstream game but JRPGs or hell even RPGs period aren't mainstream. I don't know anyone who plays games on a more casual basis who plays RPGs. FF is mostly bought FF fans and not much else. I dont see the wii's extra userbase making much of a difference in that respect.

Critical reception's been insanely positive and it's legs have been proportionately better than FFX/XII slightly even.  The game didn't sell less because of what it is, it pretty plainly sold less because it's on PS3 (like MGS, Musou, Yakuza, Winning Eleven, etc, etc).  And even then, it hasn't sold much less even.

And Final Fantasy is nearly as "mainstream" as JRPGs get.  Any game that sells over a million units in Japan has to manage a notable degree of mainstream appeal.

Lol, the critical reception of kz2 didn't stop people from skipping the game because they didn't like the controls or other reasons. In the same vein, critical reception hardly means a thing when people conjure up reasons why they dont want to buy "x" game. You noted other games that have performed worse than previous iterations due to being on ps3 but I'll have to ask you then whether you think these games also would have performed better on wii with its higher userbase because last I checked, soccer games have completely tanked on wii despite said userbase. The way I see it, the JP market has simply shrunk, hence the lower sales.

Perhaps I'm thinking with a western mindset and see the JRPG genre in general as niche. It should also be noted that other notable JRPG games haven't necessarily done much better on wii due to said userbase. Think Tales.

Killzone isn't one of the top gaming brands in Japan.  Your comparison here is worse than useless, the brands, markets and media for each are totally incompatible.

The Japanese market today is bigger than it was the entire PS2 cycle.  The PlayStation market has shrunk though, hence FF shrunk a bit alongside it since it stuck to it.  Dragon Quest on the other hand...

I was aligning the comparison to kz2 in the west not Japan. Perhaps I should have mentioned that but I assumed it was obvious.

FF hardly shrunk because of PS3. Judging by Ps3 sales on FFXIII's release, it's quite obvious that fans of said game are willing to adopt any system its on. I can't count how many articles I've seen that suggest that the JP market has shrunk especially with regards to home consoles. DQIX is hardly a good example in that regard since we are not talking about FFXIII DS.

Besides, you never explained why soccer games are underperforming on wii's huge userbase compared to the meager one of the ps3's or if the other series you mentioned would also have performed better on wii.



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darthdevidem01 on 16 January 2010
Pristine20 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Pristine20 said:
jarrod said:
Pristine20 said:
Kasz216 said:

Can't really say. It's pretty obvious FF XIII Wii would of sold more in Japan.

However for the west.... it depends how big of a western hit it is... on the 360... I'd say.

Higher userbase doesn't always equate to higher sales. Perhaps that would be the case if FF13 was announced as a wii game from the start but even then, I doubt it because FFXIII sold pretty similar to its previous iterations on ps3s meager userbase alone.

Larger userbases do affect upper limits of sales... Wii's best selling game in Japan is at 3.6m, PS3's is at 1.8m.

I'd say a Wii FFXIII would've matched FFX (and exceeded FFXIII PS3) for sales in Japan.  In the west is where it would tumble though, as I think a lot of FF's expanded western audience are more PlayStation faithful, plus big Japanese 360 games tend to do well regardless.

lol, the hate for FFXIII is why it hasn't done as well as FFX. People complaining about one thing after the other. It's on track to be more hated than FFXII. Except the wii version of FFXIII was going to a completely different game, I dont see how your idea would come to fruition. Right now, my view of a wii version is the same FFXIII with a much lower res presentation. If anything the ps3 has the extra few who just bought it because the graphics were great (I personally know people like this).

Your idea would only apply to a more mainstream game but JRPGs or hell even RPGs period aren't mainstream. I don't know anyone who plays games on a more casual basis who plays RPGs. FF is mostly bought FF fans and not much else. I dont see the wii's extra userbase making much of a difference in that respect.

yeah thats why japanese gamers voted for ti as their 2nd best game of 2009 {rolls eyes}

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=98086&page=1&str=1547897771#

Both DQ9 & FF13 are supposedly "hated", yet both have sold extremely well & both got rave critic reviews in japan

Its clear the majority liked both games.

The fact that maybe 20% of the FF userbase may dislike the game, wont stop it from being #2. FF is a huge series  so 20% lost would hardly stop it from winning such an award in Japan. With regards to critics, it should also be noted that the most hated current FF game (FFXII)  was the only one to score 40/40 from famitsu so please stop using that as a beacon to present any argument.

20% huh.....were is that figure coming from?

The poll wouldn't have every FF buyer voting.

From amazon user reviews, like most FF's before it FF13 gets 5/5's the most, FF12 got a 1 the most

How is it on track to be as hated as FF12?

Also the most hated FF

How are you deciding this, lowest metacritic? lowest user review score? lowest sales?or is it just that you remember FF12's hate because it was released a few years ago?

I am sure FF8/FF10-2 is as hated as FF12

 



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Pristine20 on 16 January 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
Pristine20 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Pristine20 said:
jarrod said:
Pristine20 said:
Kasz216 said:

Can't really say. It's pretty obvious FF XIII Wii would of sold more in Japan.

However for the west.... it depends how big of a western hit it is... on the 360... I'd say.

Higher userbase doesn't always equate to higher sales. Perhaps that would be the case if FF13 was announced as a wii game from the start but even then, I doubt it because FFXIII sold pretty similar to its previous iterations on ps3s meager userbase alone.

Larger userbases do affect upper limits of sales... Wii's best selling game in Japan is at 3.6m, PS3's is at 1.8m.

I'd say a Wii FFXIII would've matched FFX (and exceeded FFXIII PS3) for sales in Japan.  In the west is where it would tumble though, as I think a lot of FF's expanded western audience are more PlayStation faithful, plus big Japanese 360 games tend to do well regardless.

lol, the hate for FFXIII is why it hasn't done as well as FFX. People complaining about one thing after the other. It's on track to be more hated than FFXII. Except the wii version of FFXIII was going to a completely different game, I dont see how your idea would come to fruition. Right now, my view of a wii version is the same FFXIII with a much lower res presentation. If anything the ps3 has the extra few who just bought it because the graphics were great (I personally know people like this).

Your idea would only apply to a more mainstream game but JRPGs or hell even RPGs period aren't mainstream. I don't know anyone who plays games on a more casual basis who plays RPGs. FF is mostly bought FF fans and not much else. I dont see the wii's extra userbase making much of a difference in that respect.

yeah thats why japanese gamers voted for ti as their 2nd best game of 2009 {rolls eyes}

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=98086&page=1&str=1547897771#

Both DQ9 & FF13 are supposedly "hated", yet both have sold extremely well & both got rave critic reviews in japan

Its clear the majority liked both games.

The fact that maybe 20% of the FF userbase may dislike the game, wont stop it from being #2. FF is a huge series  so 20% lost would hardly stop it from winning such an award in Japan. With regards to critics, it should also be noted that the most hated current FF game (FFXII)  was the only one to score 40/40 from famitsu so please stop using that as a beacon to present any argument.

20% huh.....were is that figure coming from?

The poll wouldn't have every FF buyer voting.

From amazon user reviews, like most FF's before it FF13 gets 5/5's the most, FF12 got a 1 the most

How is it on track to be as hated as FF12?

Also the most hated FF

How are you deciding this, lowest metacritic? lowest user review score? lowest sales?or is it just that you remember FF12's hate because it was released a few years ago?

I am sure FF8/FF10-2 is as hated as FF12

 

Dude, I pulled a random % out of the blue. The point isnt what the exact % is. The point is that a game that is such a huge franchise in JP would win "best game" on the back of popularity regardless of dissenters. Perhaps I'm wrong about it ending up more hated than FFXII but you'll almost believe that if you use the gfaqs board like I do.

lol, FFVIII and FFX-2 are nowhere as hated as FFXII but I'm really judging from the  gFAQs forums so maybe the sample of gamers isn't huge enough but these are the most used quasi-official forums for these games.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

jarrod on 16 January 2010
Xoj said:

both are side stories, the only difference PSP hardware more in line PS2 games , yet selling like a spinoff, even with so called disney userbase in the DS. its isny a 50k difference, it double DS first week.

and the game if it doesnt sell well outside japan it's mainly because its piracy and lower userbase.

@jarrod, people said the same about FF13, ;)

DS piracy is more rampant that PSP piracy.  It's also easier to pirate on a DS than a PSP (cards available for every DS model versus firmware flashing on only out of circulation PSP models).  And there's fully functional DS emulators in use even, unlike PSP.

BBS is getting pretty much the same treatment as a numbered sequel in Japan.  It's getting a huge promotional push, it got a hardware bundle, it's developed inhouse, it features actual new worlds and characters, it's been in development longer than the DS title was even and the working title was literally "Kingdom Hearts Zero".  The DS game was outsourced, it had 100% recycled worlds/characters, it had almost half the development cycle, it's multiplayer mission focused and it didn't see nearly the same level of promotion or advertising.  It's actually more like comparing Code: Veronica to Outbreak, one is really "mainline" while the other's a "spinoff", even though neither carries a number.

And I said FFXIII would hit 2 million.  And it looks like I'm right. ;)



darthdevidem01 on 16 January 2010
Pristine20 said:

Dude, I pulled a random % out of the blue. The point isnt what the exact % is. The point is that a game that is such a huge franchise in JP would win "best game" on the back of popularity regardless of dissenters. Perhaps I'm wrong about it ending up more hated than FFXIII but you'll almost believe that if you use the gfaqs board like I do.

lol, FFVIII and FFX-2 are nowhere as hated as FFXII but I'm really judging from the  gFAQs forums so maybe the sample of gamers isn't huge enough but these are the most used quasi-official forums for these games.

Pristine then why isn't pokemon higher, or why is NSMB Wii so low?

Why is MH3 lower than games like Tales of Vesperia & so on?

Why is uncharted 2 even in the top 20

I agree DQ9 & FF13 have the advantage of being popular franchises, but other rankings in the list show popularity simply isn't enough to be high.

And lol gamefaq's, the forums there are awful & bash any game to death from what I heard.

I believe that FFX-2 is more hated than FF12



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jarrod on 16 January 2010
Pristine20 said:

I was aligning the comparison to kz2 in the west not Japan. Perhaps I should have mentioned that but I assumed it was obvious.

FF hardly shrunk because of PS3. Judging by Ps3 sales on FFXIII's release, it's quite obvious that fans of said game are willing to adopt any system its on. I can't count how many articles I've seen that suggest that the JP market has shrunk especially with regards to home consoles. DQIX is hardly a good example in that regard since we are not talking about FFXIII DS.

Besides, you never explained why soccer games are underperforming on wii's huge userbase compared to the meager one of the ps3's or if the other series you mentioned would also have performed better on wii.

Maybe you didn't catch it, but I said the comparison was worthless because Killzone in the west isn't comparable to FF in Japan brand wise.  One's one of the biggest series in it's market (nevermind in it's genre), the other's pretty far from it.

And the market cap in Japan this gen is dramatically higher.  Can you link to such articles saying it's lower than last gen?

And what Soccer games?  You mean Winning Eleven Playmaker, the PES ports that are titled differently, entirely unpromoted and usually released months later?  You really have to wonder why those games aren't selling well?  Really?!



DavidValbu on 16 January 2010

Wii version. HD because of the graphics? Just look at the sales of Dragon Quest IX for DS, did FFXIII sell that amount of copies even with those ultraHDgraphics?



Kasz216 on 16 January 2010
Pristine20 said:
Kasz216 said:

Can't really say. It's pretty obvious FF XIII Wii would of sold more in Japan.

However for the west.... it depends how big of a western hit it is... on the 360... I'd say.

Higher userbase doesn't always equate to higher sales. Perhaps that would be the case if FF13 was announced as a wii game from the start but even then, I doubt it because FFXIII sold pretty similar to its previous iterations on ps3s meager userbase alone.

No, but it would for a huge game like FFXIII.

Afterall, the games didn't reach the PS3 iterations when this before has been a series systems are bought for.  Not only would it of sold more, it prolly would of boosted Wii sales more.



Kasz216 on 16 January 2010
Pristine20 said:
jarrod said:
Pristine20 said:
Kasz216 said:

Can't really say. It's pretty obvious FF XIII Wii would of sold more in Japan.

However for the west.... it depends how big of a western hit it is... on the 360... I'd say.

Higher userbase doesn't always equate to higher sales. Perhaps that would be the case if FF13 was announced as a wii game from the start but even then, I doubt it because FFXIII sold pretty similar to its previous iterations on ps3s meager userbase alone.

Larger userbases do affect upper limits of sales... Wii's best selling game in Japan is at 3.6m, PS3's is at 1.8m.

I'd say a Wii FFXIII would've matched FFX (and exceeded FFXIII PS3) for sales in Japan.  In the west is where it would tumble though, as I think a lot of FF's expanded western audience are more PlayStation faithful, plus big Japanese 360 games tend to do well regardless.

lol, the hate for FFXIII is why it hasn't done as well as FFX. People complaining about one thing after the other. It's on track to be more hated than FFXII. Except the wii version of FFXIII was going to a completely different game, I dont see how your idea would come to fruition. Right now, my view of a wii version is the same FFXIII with a much lower res presentation. If anything the ps3 has the extra few who just bought it because the graphics were great (I personally know people like this).

Your idea would only apply to a more mainstream game but JRPGs or hell even RPGs period aren't mainstream. I don't know anyone who plays games on a more casual basis who plays RPGs. FF is mostly bought FF fans and not much else. I dont see the wii's extra userbase making much of a difference in that respect.

A) I do.

B) Your not japanese.



Pristine20 on 16 January 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
Pristine20 said:
 

Dude, I pulled a random % out of the blue. The point isnt what the exact % is. The point is that a game that is such a huge franchise in JP would win "best game" on the back of popularity regardless of dissenters. Perhaps I'm wrong about it ending up more hated than FFXIII but you'll almost believe that if you use the gfaqs board like I do.

lol, FFVIII and FFX-2 are nowhere as hated as FFXII but I'm really judging from the  gFAQs forums so maybe the sample of gamers isn't huge enough but these are the most used quasi-official forums for these games.

Pristine then why isn't pokemon higher, or why is NSMB Wii so low?

Why is MH3 lower than games like Tales of Vesperia & so on?

Why is uncharted 2 even in the top 20

I agree DQ9 & FF13 have the advantage of being popular franchises, but other rankings in the list show popularity simply isn't enough to be high.

And lol gamefaq's, the forums there are awful & bash any game to death from what I heard.

I believe that FFX-2 is more hated than FF12

I concede dear sir...you have won. I'll now admit that gFAQs guys aren't a good metric to judge such a factor. Now that I thin about it, perhaps that's because the haterade drinkers are more vocal. Regardless, I'm the type that buys a main series FF no matter what so these ideas have been for the sake of certain arguments not that I hate the game.

As for the FFx-2 vs 12 thing, I don't know what to say anymore since there's no way to really decide.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler