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Chairman-Mao on 15 January 2010
KylieDog said:
I get tired with the "but gameplay > other things" defences. Is no reason why a game cannot have good gameplay as well as great other things.

This.

Yeah people are right gameplay > graphics; but nothing has stopped games like Gears of War, Uncharted or Killzone 2 from having BOTH great gameplay and awesome graphics.

And I agree with the majority of things said in the OP. Wii owners should take a stand and demand more great games and improvements to their console instead of sitting back and defending Nintendo. Nintendo is quite content sitting back and counting their money. Its good to see the Wii getting good games like SMG2 and a new Zelda though.



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radiantshadow92 on 15 January 2010
griffinA said:
radiantshadow92 said:
griffinA said:
radiantshadow92 said:
griffinA said:
radiantshadow92 said:
griffinA said:
No matter what you think, 10 million customers can't be wrong.

umm YES they can

how so?

10m people can be wrong about alot of things, for one saying that windows vista is better than mac...vista had tons of probs..but it still beat out macs, those customers were wrong *im one of them lulz*...they can be wrong, anyone can be wrong...just because everyone is doing somehintg it doesnt mean its the best thing to do *most of the time it does but not all the time*

I didn't say 10 million people can't be wrong, I said 10 million customers can't be wrong. They have spoken with their dollar and are saying that they perfer NSMBWii to other games. Why is that wrong?

its not wrong, but 10m customers CAN be wrong about thier purchase, NSMB is not a case though

So you admit that the customers that bought NSMBWii were not wrong for buying the game?

well how could you be wrong about buying a great game??? all i wish for sometimes is for other games to be given a chance in sales and though...like LBP had AAA quality shoulda sold atleast 10m imo (and according to reviews)...but no >_>



Gnizmo on 16 January 2010
Chairman-Mao said:

This.

Yeah people are right gameplay > graphics; but nothing has stopped games like Gears of War, Uncharted or Killzone 2 from having BOTH great gameplay and awesome graphics.

And I agree with the majority of things said in the OP. Wii owners should take a stand and demand more great games and improvements to their console instead of sitting back and defending Nintendo. Nintendo is quite content sitting back and counting their money. Its good to see the Wii getting good games like SMG2 and a new Zelda though.

Your entire argument is predicated on a faulty assumption though. You assume the people defending Nintendo have a desire for the features, and qualities of the competing console. This is ridiculous for one huge reason. They, intentionally, did not buy the competitions product. Implicitly they have rejected those features, and values in favor of Nintendo's way. It is simply a matter of preference that many internet gamers have a hard time wrapping their heads around. This is to be expected since it is an entirely different perspective with completely foreign values, and desires.



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adam84 on 16 January 2010

nice post ash, i feel nearly the same and i do think nintendo could do alot more........but NSMB was the best gaming experience ive had for a long time. if it wasnt for zelda id be getting angry. We do have monster hunter, grinder maybe pikmin 3 and lots more to come but i just wish nintendo would invest some of its pots of cash on new games studios. PS i want starfox



Chairman-Mao on 16 January 2010
Gnizmo said:
Chairman-Mao said:

This.

Yeah people are right gameplay > graphics; but nothing has stopped games like Gears of War, Uncharted or Killzone 2 from having BOTH great gameplay and awesome graphics.

And I agree with the majority of things said in the OP. Wii owners should take a stand and demand more great games and improvements to their console instead of sitting back and defending Nintendo. Nintendo is quite content sitting back and counting their money. Its good to see the Wii getting good games like SMG2 and a new Zelda though.

Your entire argument is predicated on a faulty assumption though. You assume the people defending Nintendo have a desire for the features, and qualities of the competing console. This is ridiculous for one huge reason. They, intentionally, did not buy the competitions product. Implicitly they have rejected those features, and values in favor of Nintendo's way. It is simply a matter of preference that many internet gamers have a hard time wrapping their heads around. This is to be expected since it is an entirely different perspective with completely foreign values, and desires.

I guess I do just have a tought time wrapping my head around this. I'll be the first to admit that.

I guess after 3+ years of being spoiled by great graphics and online play I can't imagine going back to SD and a weaker online setup. I guess to each his own (or whatever that saying is).



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Mummelmann on 16 January 2010
Gnizmo said:
Chairman-Mao said:

This.

Yeah people are right gameplay > graphics; but nothing has stopped games like Gears of War, Uncharted or Killzone 2 from having BOTH great gameplay and awesome graphics.

And I agree with the majority of things said in the OP. Wii owners should take a stand and demand more great games and improvements to their console instead of sitting back and defending Nintendo. Nintendo is quite content sitting back and counting their money. Its good to see the Wii getting good games like SMG2 and a new Zelda though.

Your entire argument is predicated on a faulty assumption though. You assume the people defending Nintendo have a desire for the features, and qualities of the competing console. This is ridiculous for one huge reason. They, intentionally, did not buy the competitions product. Implicitly they have rejected those features, and values in favor of Nintendo's way. It is simply a matter of preference that many internet gamers have a hard time wrapping their heads around. This is to be expected since it is an entirely different perspective with completely foreign values, and desires.

Then why are they the ones who, by far, make the most threads in here complaining? About 3rd parties, bad ports, reviews, online, no storage etc. I'm not saying Wii owners want what the HD consoles offer, those who do go out and buy another console but no one can deny that the Wii could be improved upon on many areas. It is not wrong to demand something, that's how markets work you know, the consumers are not dictated by the manufacturers, its the other way around and has always been.



griffinA on 16 January 2010
Mummelmann said:
Gnizmo said:
Chairman-Mao said:

This.

Yeah people are right gameplay > graphics; but nothing has stopped games like Gears of War, Uncharted or Killzone 2 from having BOTH great gameplay and awesome graphics.

And I agree with the majority of things said in the OP. Wii owners should take a stand and demand more great games and improvements to their console instead of sitting back and defending Nintendo. Nintendo is quite content sitting back and counting their money. Its good to see the Wii getting good games like SMG2 and a new Zelda though.

Your entire argument is predicated on a faulty assumption though. You assume the people defending Nintendo have a desire for the features, and qualities of the competing console. This is ridiculous for one huge reason. They, intentionally, did not buy the competitions product. Implicitly they have rejected those features, and values in favor of Nintendo's way. It is simply a matter of preference that many internet gamers have a hard time wrapping their heads around. This is to be expected since it is an entirely different perspective with completely foreign values, and desires.

Then why are they the ones who, by far, make the most threads in here complaining? About 3rd parties, bad ports, reviews, online, no storage etc. I'm not saying Wii owners want what the HD consoles offer, those who do go out and buy another console but no one can deny that the Wii could be improved upon on many areas. It is not wrong to demand something, that's how markets work you know, the consumers are not dictated by the manufacturers, its the other way around and has always been.

Because the majority of Wii owners hold different values than the average vgchartz Wii owner. The average Wii owner does demand things, they just happen to be different things than what the HD Twins offer.



"Pier was a chef, a gifted and respected chef who made millions selling his dishes to the residents of New York City and Boston, he even had a famous jingle playing in those cities that everyone knew by heart. He also had a restaurant in Los Angeles, but not expecting LA to have such a massive population he only used his name on that restaurant and left it to his least capable and cheapest chefs. While his New York restaurant sold kobe beef for $100 and his Boston restaurant sold lobster for $50, his LA restaurant sold cheap hotdogs for $30. Initially these hot dogs sold fairly well because residents of los angeles were starving for good food and hoped that the famous name would denote a high quality, but most were disappointed with what they ate. Seeing the success of his cheap hot dogs in LA, Pier thought "why bother giving Los Angeles quality meats when I can oversell them on cheap hotdogs forever, and since I don't care about the product anyways, why bother advertising them? So Pier continued to only sell cheap hotdogs in LA and was surprised to see that they no longer sold. Pier's conclusion? Residents of Los Angeles don't like food."

"The so-called "hardcore" gamer is a marketing brainwashed, innovation shunting, self-righteous idiot who pays videogame makers far too much money than what is delivered."

Gnizmo on 16 January 2010
Mummelmann said:

Then why are they the ones who, by far, make the most threads in here complaining? About 3rd parties, bad ports, reviews, online, no storage etc. I'm not saying Wii owners want what the HD consoles offer, those who do go out and buy another console but no one can deny that the Wii could be improved upon on many areas. It is not wrong to demand something, that's how markets work you know, the consumers are not dictated by the manufacturers, its the other way around and has always been.

Because the forum community is not a representative sample of the population of Wii owners. The average forum goer is likely to be more interested in additional features as they do see value in them. Someone as constantly connected to the internet as most people here do not like having to sever that connection. Rather they want the experience they believe should be mandatory at all times. The problem is thats not what the vast majority of Wii owners are like, or at least so it seems.

Every console can be improved, and so can every game. I am not denying this. I am refusing to believe that a list of features dictates quality of a game, or the level of effort put forth by the company. It is one tiny aspect of the much bigger whole. Some games would seem crippled and worthless without some features, and yet others are left entirely unaffected because it is not required for the gaming experience.



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Mummelmann on 16 January 2010

Yeah, some good points there. Pinball games are addictive and fun as hell but don't exactly come packed with features.



noname2200 on 16 January 2010
Mummelmann said:
Yeah, some good points there. Pinball games are addictive and fun as hell but don't exactly come packed with features.

I dunno about that. Some of those things get pretty damned elaborate.