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SaviorX on 15 January 2010

You can't really fault the company when they make one of the fastest selling games of all-time.

'Splosion Man does seem interesting though; at least I got that out of this.



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

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dib8rman on 15 January 2010

To start, Mario games aren't like other games, in order for a Mario game to be a success commercially it's not about the amount it sells it's about the amount of hardware it moves. But looking purely at sales, it can be said that a Mario game going 10 million sold is a rare occurance, but when compared to other games it doesn't seem so rare.

If you don't believe me here you go:

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?page=2&results=50&name=mario&console=&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=All&alphasort=

to put it plainly, having Mario in the name doesn't guarantee millions sold.

Fan's are fans, everyone has their degree of interest it's OK to hate on people who love something, in fact it's promoted as hate means there is love, people hate when something is loved that's usually the reason for hate in fact. It's because something is encouraged when someone feels they are infringed upon through or in response to that encouragement. =P

But hey Mario is a household name, but he wasn't always.

Mario sold his first 10 million because he was great back then.

He sold 1 million because he wasn't as great as he was when he sold 10 million.

He sold 10 million again which means he's as good as he was when he sold 10 million last time.


Numbers don't lie but subjective yammering and propaganda can come from anything for any reason :)



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Hisiru on 15 January 2010
radiantshadow92 said:
Arius Dion said:
onishi said:
Arius Dion said:
Who didn't see this coming after Nintendo and specifically this game destroyed the competition in the NPD.

They're a little late actually, I expected this last night.

That he may have gone about it in a more unprofessional way, there is no question about that. But you seem to disregard some points that may have certain validity to them. Just because there is a good possibility that your beloved Mario MAY be a Slightly inferior platformer doesn't mean that it's about "OMG IT SELLS TO MUCH SO IT HAS TO GET HATE!" Hell I can accept that there may be games out there or at least will be, that surpass Uncharted 2 in that genre. True at the end of the day it's about personal taste but that doesn't mean that you should disregard other great games just because the mustached hero is the main character. It is that mindset which allows all of us to experience many gems. Hell if it wasn't for me giving other games a chance and keeping an open mind, I would have never ended up playing Legend of Legaia (loved it), or Einhander (a shmup made by Squaresoft? no way!). Lets try to remain civil with eachother and give other games a shot. That doesn't mean Mario will get jealous or stop making games because you try other games. Lets all keep the one thing we have in common in order to connect in a positive way: gaming. Have a good evening (or day if your in EU).

I happen to love the game. So his points arer pretty much wasted on me. But he seems to be asserting that people like myself who love the game are somewhat ignorant, naive, and blind and were schemed by Nintendo's big shiny red box with bright colors and aren't sophisticated enough to understand we've been flim flammed and bamboozeled. All I was pointing out was that as a Wii fan this isn't anything new anymore and is to be expected. Every time Nintendo (Wii specifically) has acheived or broken a record these type of articles appear, it is not coincidence. And it is obviously for hits. It is unprofessionally done and I really see no point in contributing much to the theater that goes on around articles such as this.

But you do have a good point that's been made: Many times hype & name alone gives games a free pass. This is no more evident than the IGN reviews of GTA4. I think some of the hate from IGN comes from the fact that the Wii audience doesn't "listen" to them. They gave MKWii what an 8.5? or something yet that game goes on to sell over 20m. But I digress. Yes, many big name games get these ridiculously high scores simply because they are the next games in a beloved series..they seem to be sacred cows..and I think what you were trying to say is that one should not have any sacred cows, and if that is indeed what you were saying I agree wholeheartedly.

But I don't agree that NSMB is a mediocre game. 

i also dont agree that nsmb is a mediocre game, i am just saying that it doesnt deserve the sales based on it quality, but yes, people are blind to mario and the fact that its a household name, just like gran turismo, and ff, and zelda, and mgs, if they put it on the cover people will buy it...now whether the game is deserving of the sales is up to the developer and how good they make the game....btw its not true that ign will give ninty games a low score, they gave conduit an 8.x and galaxy like a high 9....zelda a 9.5 and prime a 9.5....these games were deserving of every sale and rating they got, now nsmb got a 8.9 which i agree on, but really does it deserve 35252345234523 billion sales? is it the best platformer? is it the best goty? is it the best game ever? just like MKWII, why should MKWII get 321522352 sales when modnation racers (assuming its the better game) will get 3-4 million sales tops....

Wait, are you judging the quality of a game and saying it doesn't deserve the sales just because you don't like it? It's like me saying that Uncharted 2 doesn't deserve the sales because it's very linear and extremely easy. I think it's just your opinion and I know a lot of people that love NSMBW, it's truly an amazing experience for fans.

As Lolcislaw said, quality is a matter of taste.

 

@Lolcislaw

Yes, and COD has a lot of bugs, short campaign etc.

 

 



radiantshadow92 on 15 January 2010
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:

That quote tree was becoming a war crime.

No, Kasz was the one originally making a point here, and if you wan to argue with him you have ot address his point. Professionalism in the relaying of one's opinion does affect perceived validity for many people, myself included. The man isn't writing an editiorial. He's having a breakdown. I'm embarrassed for him, because the language and vindictiveness on display here is not something that a grown man should be showing in public about anything, least of all video games, and in that case least of all because a game is selling better than he wants it to.

He's complaining that people like New Super Mario Bros. Wii too much. And he's doing it in a completely unrelatable way.

hes saying its selling TOO MUCH FOR ITS QUALITY AND WORK INPUT....he relating the game to another game that in his opinion should be regarded as a higher platformer.....i know his point, hes saying that daemon had no professionalism, he was expressing himself as writer, even if he has no professionalism, he still makes a valid point which is professional enough for me

You agreeing with him does not mean he's writing professionally. That's not how professionalism works.

you are once again missing the point, i could care less if he was professional, he still makes good points....you know what fine, HIS ARTICLE WAS NOT PROFESSIONAL...are you happy? does that make you happy? that the ign writer was not professional enough for you....or does it make you sad that he actually makes a good point which happens to be that a mario game is not all that?

Part of the reason it's not professional is beca use he actually doesn't make any good points. It's not very good and it's not very professional.

 

whether he makes good points or not is subjective....he makes plenty of good points imo, like the fact that nsmb has no online, or that ninty didnt make any big jumps, or that the game has 4 characters, idk about you but he made plenty good points, some were off, but either way they are his points, and they are valid

No, it's not subjective. He didn't make any good points. "Because online" doesn't mean anything. If the online isn't good then there is nothing to brag about, but the actual inclusion or removal of online doesn't determine quality so much as the actual implementation.

YES IT DOES...online is something some games should have FOR EXAMPLE a multiplayer game such as NSMB, could you imagine how much fun it would be to play people with headsets and leaderboards and user created worlds...the posibilites are endless...and yes whether he made good points or not are subjective, anyone could say he is right and back it up, or you could say he is wrong and back it up.....online does mean something, but sadly ninty doesnt seem to care >_>



Maynard_Tool on 15 January 2010
radiantshadow92 said:
Maynard_Tool said:

radiantshadow92 whats ur deal?? Why do you have to attack people that say this is a shitty article (b/c it is) Why do you have to keep saying (around 20 times now) that you agree with the IGN writer? We got it the first time....

If you agree with the article and you liked it, that's fine. The article sucks. The guy is clearly butthurt (for w/e reason) and he doesn't even give a good point like you said. He goes on to say all this BS.

Who is this guy to decide that Mario is less fun than X game? If the game has already sold 10 million copies is for a reason... that's what people like. If people like the same game over and over with little change, what's the problem? If people loved NSMB DS, and they love NSMBWii... what's the problem with that? I often saw on IGN that Nintendo is keeping the same formula, that they needed to change it... but then, on the GoWII review, they say "is the same as GoW... but, why are they going to change something that doesn't need to be change? It's fine as it is"
Well.... why are they going to change something that works? Same with the ps3 controller... is the exact same thing as the ps1 and ps2 controller, do they need to change it? Not really.

Ign is so full of it... they say something one day, and at the next day they just give a total different opinion just b/c they want to hate on the wii.... it is what it is. Maybe NSMBWii didn't add too much, but more than 10 million people have already bought the game, so Nintendo knows what people want =)

my deal is that i do agree with the editorial, and i am not attacking anyone, i am just defending the article because i believe it makes a good point, it doesnt matter if the mario game is the funnest game in the world, it still lacks in the fact that ninty played it safe....im not attacking anyone but making a stand on my point and backing it up...its simply debating nothing more, i dont think i offended anyone or attacked them in any way...but everyone is def. attacking the article, which happens to have a point i agree with....tell me...if you posted an article you agreed with, and everyone called it shxt and didnt agree with it at all, would you not try and defend it? yeah they ninty knows what people want and they abuse it with games like nsmb imo

Not really. If someone doesn't agree with what I agree, well too bad. Everyone has a different opinion. Ninty didn't play it safe. They delivered. They gave what people wanted, hence the great sales for the game. The game doesn't need online (plus, imo, local multiplayer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>online) Nintendo knows what people want, and that's what the give. That;s why you see a lot of Nintendo games hitting 10 Million copies sold.



03/10/09 HUGE day in my life:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=63437&page=1

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radiantshadow92 on 15 January 2010
Hisiru said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Arius Dion said:
onishi said:
Arius Dion said:
Who didn't see this coming after Nintendo and specifically this game destroyed the competition in the NPD.

They're a little late actually, I expected this last night.

That he may have gone about it in a more unprofessional way, there is no question about that. But you seem to disregard some points that may have certain validity to them. Just because there is a good possibility that your beloved Mario MAY be a Slightly inferior platformer doesn't mean that it's about "OMG IT SELLS TO MUCH SO IT HAS TO GET HATE!" Hell I can accept that there may be games out there or at least will be, that surpass Uncharted 2 in that genre. True at the end of the day it's about personal taste but that doesn't mean that you should disregard other great games just because the mustached hero is the main character. It is that mindset which allows all of us to experience many gems. Hell if it wasn't for me giving other games a chance and keeping an open mind, I would have never ended up playing Legend of Legaia (loved it), or Einhander (a shmup made by Squaresoft? no way!). Lets try to remain civil with eachother and give other games a shot. That doesn't mean Mario will get jealous or stop making games because you try other games. Lets all keep the one thing we have in common in order to connect in a positive way: gaming. Have a good evening (or day if your in EU).

I happen to love the game. So his points arer pretty much wasted on me. But he seems to be asserting that people like myself who love the game are somewhat ignorant, naive, and blind and were schemed by Nintendo's big shiny red box with bright colors and aren't sophisticated enough to understand we've been flim flammed and bamboozeled. All I was pointing out was that as a Wii fan this isn't anything new anymore and is to be expected. Every time Nintendo (Wii specifically) has acheived or broken a record these type of articles appear, it is not coincidence. And it is obviously for hits. It is unprofessionally done and I really see no point in contributing much to the theater that goes on around articles such as this.

But you do have a good point that's been made: Many times hype & name alone gives games a free pass. This is no more evident than the IGN reviews of GTA4. I think some of the hate from IGN comes from the fact that the Wii audience doesn't "listen" to them. They gave MKWii what an 8.5? or something yet that game goes on to sell over 20m. But I digress. Yes, many big name games get these ridiculously high scores simply because they are the next games in a beloved series..they seem to be sacred cows..and I think what you were trying to say is that one should not have any sacred cows, and if that is indeed what you were saying I agree wholeheartedly.

But I don't agree that NSMB is a mediocre game. 

i also dont agree that nsmb is a mediocre game, i am just saying that it doesnt deserve the sales based on it quality, but yes, people are blind to mario and the fact that its a household name, just like gran turismo, and ff, and zelda, and mgs, if they put it on the cover people will buy it...now whether the game is deserving of the sales is up to the developer and how good they make the game....btw its not true that ign will give ninty games a low score, they gave conduit an 8.x and galaxy like a high 9....zelda a 9.5 and prime a 9.5....these games were deserving of every sale and rating they got, now nsmb got a 8.9 which i agree on, but really does it deserve 35252345234523 billion sales? is it the best platformer? is it the best goty? is it the best game ever? just like MKWII, why should MKWII get 321522352 sales when modnation racers (assuming its the better game) will get 3-4 million sales tops....

Wait, are you judging the quality of a game and saying it doesn't deserve the sales just because you don't like it? It's like me saying that Uncharted 2 doesn't deserve the sales because it's very linear and extremely easy. I think it's just your opinion and I know a lot of people that love NSMBW, it's truly an amazing experience for fans.

 

 

 

@Lolcislaw

Yes, and COD has a lot of bugs, short campaign etc.

 

 

no no no!!!! dammit lol....i love NSMB!!! its great!!! its fun!!! and its a damn good time...it is a great game....but it was not all it could be and i dont think it deserved the sales it got, its not my opinion but more saying that ninty is playing it safe, and that it didnt deserve best platformer 



Azelover on 15 January 2010

IGN needs to focus on criticizing Microsoft exclusively for a season.

Then I'll take them seriously.



taomaster06 on 15 January 2010

Well I do not believe that this is the best game ever but it is no where near as bad and he is making it out to be. GOTY awards are always subjective anyway. There has been tons of other franchises that have won awards just because of the name like GTA, Final Fantasy, Halo. You cant fault Nintendo for not revolutionizing the indusrty each time they make a new mario game. They made a game that was fun and easy to play.



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psrock on 15 January 2010

I don't really care if a game deserve to sell, as long as people love it and buy, that's why companies make games. That's business.

What touched me about the article is something no one is touching:

Nintendo always made the best games, their games were in a different level, they were the best reviewed games year after year. GOTY without Nintendo had never happened. The best Nintendo game came out in 2007. If you think they haven't dropped in quality, you are mistaken.
They may comeback this year, I see Zelda, Galaxy2 some of the best games this year, but I am only hoping.
But, to be fair, they are more successful now than ever before, something is definitely working for them.



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ClaudeLv250 on 15 January 2010
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Khuutra said:

That quote tree was becoming a war crime.

No, Kasz was the one originally making a point here, and if you wan to argue with him you have ot address his point. Professionalism in the relaying of one's opinion does affect perceived validity for many people, myself included. The man isn't writing an editiorial. He's having a breakdown. I'm embarrassed for him, because the language and vindictiveness on display here is not something that a grown man should be showing in public about anything, least of all video games, and in that case least of all because a game is selling better than he wants it to.

He's complaining that people like New Super Mario Bros. Wii too much. And he's doing it in a completely unrelatable way.

hes saying its selling TOO MUCH FOR ITS QUALITY AND WORK INPUT....he relating the game to another game that in his opinion should be regarded as a higher platformer.....i know his point, hes saying that daemon had no professionalism, he was expressing himself as writer, even if he has no professionalism, he still makes a valid point which is professional enough for me

You agreeing with him does not mean he's writing professionally. That's not how professionalism works.

you are once again missing the point, i could care less if he was professional, he still makes good points....you know what fine, HIS ARTICLE WAS NOT PROFESSIONAL...are you happy? does that make you happy? that the ign writer was not professional enough for you....or does it make you sad that he actually makes a good point which happens to be that a mario game is not all that?

Part of the reason it's not professional is beca use he actually doesn't make any good points. It's not very good and it's not very professional.

 

whether he makes good points or not is subjective....he makes plenty of good points imo, like the fact that nsmb has no online, or that ninty didnt make any big jumps, or that the game has 4 characters, idk about you but he made plenty good points, some were off, but either way they are his points, and they are valid

No, it's not subjective. He didn't make any good points. "Because online" doesn't mean anything. If the online isn't good then there is nothing to brag about, but the actual inclusion or removal of online doesn't determine quality so much as the actual implementation.

YES IT DOES...online is something some games should have FOR EXAMPLE a multiplayer game such as NSMB, could you imagine how much fun it would be to play people with headsets and leaderboards and user created worlds...the posibilites are endless...and yes whether he made good points or not are subjective, anyone could say he is right and back it up, or you could say he is wrong and back it up.....online does mean something, but sadly ninty doesnt seem to care >_>

Nope. Every game doesn't need online. He didn't make any good points. This is not subjective.

 



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