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nen-suer said:
jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said:

A game that doesn't sell out of its initial shipment even when it goes in the bomba bin for many months under performs, no ifs, buts or maybes about it. It's not a bomba, but it did perform under expectations and to say anything to the contrary is borderline fanboyism.

But Capcom themselves said it met sales expectations.  Ergo, the borderline fanboyism would in trying to argue otherwise, in the face of that.

Also, MH3 sold out it's initial shipment (1m).  If it didn't, retailers wouldn't have ordered 150k more...

But when Sony say something similar you still call it a flop

Anyways i agree with you, if Capcom is pleased who cares what anyone else thinks.

I'm sorry, PSP Go is a flop... it only shipped 150k (first shipment) and has still only sold 125k ltd in Japan.  It's a total flop, and actually SCEI's never said otherwise either?



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jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said:
jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said:
jarrod said:
Hero_time88 said:
jarrod said:
Hero_time88 said:

Also, a lot here say that MHIII sold great on the Wii, because it outsold the PS2 entries, which was before the "monster hunter boom" that happened during the PSP-era, but pretty much every analyst in Japan agrees that it underperformed, and that also is a game appeals to a wide audience, like kids, teenagers and adults there.

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Outside the crazy head of Famitsu (who also said DQIX underperformed, lol) who else in the JP industry has said MH3 underperformed?

Also, MH2 released after MHP.  And the best version of MH2 released after MHP2... so really, MH2 came alongside the PSP MH boom, yet that didn't translate to console sales either...

The Crazy head of Media-create there are still about 100k copies on the shelves which they haven't been able to sell for a budget price.

The monster hunter franchise also wasn't  nearly as big in 2005-6 as with it  was in 2009, which was after Freedom 2.

Can you source said quote or are you simply comparing tracked sales to shipments?  Having less than 10% overstock isn't exactly underperforming either. And which analysts in Japan said MH3 underperformed again?

MHP sold well over a million, while MH2 (which released later) only did about 600-700k total.  And the Best version of MH2 came out in 2007 (well after MHP2, which sold ~1.7m), it didn't even break 150k... again, MH2 PS2 came out while MH was BOOMING on PSP, yet those sales didn't translate to the pay-to-play console... Frontier's been a decent success (for what it is) and it's sales don't compare either...

A game that doesn't sell out of its initial shipment even when it goes in the bomba bin for many months under performs, no ifs, buts or maybes about it. It's not a bomba, but it did perform under expectations and to say anything to the contrary is borderline fanboyism.

But Capcom themselves said it met sales expectations.  Ergo, the borderline fanboyism would in trying to argue otherwise, in the face of that.

Also, MH3 sold out it's initial shipment (1m).  If it didn't, retailers wouldn't have ordered 150k more...


Show me, and please don't give me a blog "source" this time.

Well, the first shipment was "over 1 million"...  

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/news/html/e090730d.html

It's so far shipped 1.15m in Japan...

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/pdf/fy2010a.pdf

And Capcom's happy with that result, in their words MH3 "performed well" and "saw healthy growth"...

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/pdf/annual/2010/annual_2010_01.pdf

 

...now can you source "underperforms" for MH3 in Japan?  I'm guessing I'll be waiting awhile...


Not at all.

1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive, I bet you knew that already. You have not proven that a 2nd shipment was indeed sent out.

3) Is not accessible, luckily I have found another source for the quote you seem to completely be over exaggerating (not surprisingly). I did not see the "performs well" quote that you seemed to have pulled out of your ass, please correct me if you have pulled it out of something else, but you seemed to have taken gonintendo's title and ran with it:

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=112775

The only quote I found was "Capcom’s flagship title “Monster Hunter Tri” (for Wii) achieved healthy growth".

http://gamerinvestments.com/video-game-stocks/index.php/2010/02/01/capcom-financial-results-nine-months-ended-123109/comment-page-1/

Crap, if that's what you're going off on then all I can do is laugh at you. Sony PR could probably say the same crap about the PSP Go, and they did IIRC, I guess it's not a bomba then.

There's a reason Capcom has never really said much about MH3 sales in Japan or in the West, because it underperformed big time.

Fake Edit, they did say stuff about its sales in the west.....yeah...

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/07/29/more-sluggish-sales-plague-capcom-financials/

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=131734



jarrod said:
nen-suer said:
jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said:

A game that doesn't sell out of its initial shipment even when it goes in the bomba bin for many months under performs, no ifs, buts or maybes about it. It's not a bomba, but it did perform under expectations and to say anything to the contrary is borderline fanboyism.

But Capcom themselves said it met sales expectations.  Ergo, the borderline fanboyism would in trying to argue otherwise, in the face of that.

Also, MH3 sold out it's initial shipment (1m).  If it didn't, retailers wouldn't have ordered 150k more...

But when Sony say something similar you still call it a flop

Anyways i agree with you, if Capcom is pleased who cares what anyone else thinks.

I'm sorry, PSP Go is a flop... it only shipped 150k (first shipment) and has still only sold 125k ltd in Japan.  It's a total flop, and actually SCEI's never said otherwise either?

Of course, it didn't sell out of its initial shipment, so it is indeed a flop, but wait, MH3 didn't sell out of it's initial shipment either, and yet it's performing fantastically!!!!!!!!

For the record the PSP Go is a flop and MH3 has underperformed, however before I continue this debate with you I must ask you 2 simple yes or no questions:

1) Did Tales of Graces underperform on the Wii? Yes or No?

2) Did Samurai Warriors 3 underperform on the Wii? Yes or No?



ElGranCabeza said:


Not at all.

1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive, I bet you knew that already. You have not proven that a 2nd shipment was indeed sent out.

3) Is not accessible, luckily I have found another source for the quote you seem to completely be over exaggerating (not surprisingly). I did not see the "performs well" quote that you seemed to have pulled out of your ass, please correct me if you have pulled it out of something else, but you seemed to have taken gonintendo's title and ran with it:

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=112775

The only quote I found was "Capcom’s flagship title “Monster Hunter Tri” (for Wii) achieved healthy growth".

http://gamerinvestments.com/video-game-stocks/index.php/2010/02/01/capcom-financial-results-nine-months-ended-123109/comment-page-1/

Crap, if that's what you're going off on then all I can do is laugh at you. Sony PR could probably say the same crap about the PSP Go, and they did IIRC, I guess it's not a bomba then.

There's a reason Capcom has never really said much about MH3 sales in Japan or in the West, because it underperformed big time.

Fake Edit, they did say stuff about its sales in the west.....yeah...

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/07/29/more-sluggish-sales-plague-capcom-financials/

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=131734


A 2nd shipment was sent out because the fiscal quarterly figures went from 1.1m (Q2) to 1.15m (Q3).  

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/pdf/fy2010_2nd_quarter_a.pdf

 

And try actually reading the Capcom report rather than going off 2nd hand accounts... I'm literally copy/pasting here...  

 

In the Home Video Games Business, domestic sales of core software “Monster Hunter Tri” increased steadily as its brand power lent stability to the sales of low-priced edition “Monster Hunter Freedom Unite”. 

 

 

Major titles performed well, including “Monster Hunter Tri” for Wii with sales exceeding 1.1 million copies, 

 

 

 

In this business segment, our flagship title “Monster Hunter Tri” (for Wii) achieved healthy growth

 

 

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/pdf/annual/2010/annual_2010_01.pdf

 

You keep saying MH3 underperformed ("big time" even now), yet I haven't seen a shred of evidence from you supporting that, just the usual hysteric empty proclamations, and indeed everything out of Capcom pretty much indicates otherwise.  

 

Real edit: though if you'd really like to bring western shipments into it, then according to Capcom...

  • Monster Hunter Freedom (PSP) 230k
  • Monster Hunter Freedom 2 (PSP) 260k
  • Monster Hunter Freedom Unite (PSP) 450k (900k expected, lol)
  • Monster Hunter Tri (Wii) 690k


http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/news/html/e100729b.html

 

"Lost Planet 2" (for PlayStation 3, Xbox 360), one of our featured products, underperformed its projection substantially; "Monster Hunter Tri" (for Wii) grew at sluggish pace; newly-released "Ghost Trick" (for Nintendo DS) struggled."  This is right from this source.  Not really in this argument but I thought this would elucidate things.



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ElGranCabeza said:

Of course, it didn't sell out of its initial shipment, so it is indeed a flop, but wait, MH3 didn't sell out of it's initial shipment either, and yet it's performing fantastically!!!!!!!!

For the record the PSP Go is a flop and MH3 has underperformed, however before I continue this debate with you I must ask you 2 simple yes or no questions:

1) Did Tales of Graces underperform on the Wii? Yes or No?

2) Did Samurai Warriors 3 underperform on the Wii? Yes or No?

Oh, Go's not a flop because it didn't sell out it's first shipment, it's a flop because it's a revision of a system 15m strong and only did 125k in almost a year.  It's probably the biggest hardware flop this generation, bigger than even Xbox 360.

And for the record, again please show us MH3 underperformed.  Just repeating it alone doesn't make it reality, no matter how hard you'd seemingly like to make it so.

Graces and SM3 both definitely underperformed.  Koei expected 700k for SM3... but then they also expected 1m for Gundam Musou (PS3 only btw), 1m for SSM5 (no breakdown given) and 1m for Hokuto Musou (800k PS3, 200k 360)... basically every console Musou game has underperformed this gen from that we know of.

Graces is especially bizarre though, as it actually slightly undersold the cheapo Symphonia spinoff on Wii.  Then again, Tales also underperformed on DS every time, so it's not really saying much that Graces only did about as well as those games (roughly 200-250k).  The Tales fanbase just isn't on DS/Wii.



NYANKS said:

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/news/html/e100729b.html

 

"Lost Planet 2" (for PlayStation 3, Xbox 360), one of our featured products, underperformed its projection substantially; "Monster Hunter Tri" (for Wii) grew at sluggish pace; newly-released "Ghost Trick" (for Nintendo DS) struggled."  This is right from this source.  Not really in this argument but I thought this would elucidate things.

Not really, since that's in regard to western sales.  The JP version released almost a year earlier.



So according to the JP retailer blogs, it seems MHP3 will have a first shipment of 1m and Mario Collection will have a first shipment of 300k.  Both are expected to be near sellouts.



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jarrod said:

So according to the JP retailer blogs, it seems MHP3 will have a first shipment of 1m and Mario Collection will have a first shipment of 300k.  Both are expected to be near sellouts.


Umm??



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