@KylieDog
Again looking for the bad side only, that's a shame.

I saw the same thing, and I agree.

With respect to you, Gamerace, I believe you have missed my point (could easily be my fault, I have a hard time being concise and to the point).

My main point:  third parties have never taken the Wii seriously and is only using the 'audience' excuss to ignore it further.  No one, and I mean no one, can name a single third party exclusive that would have sold well on the HD twins.

You claim the core market is the 'after market', but how do you know that (this was my biggest question when I read your response)?  Where are the Modern Warfare's (the breakout game for console Call of Duty games), the Grand Theft Auto's, or the Final Fantasy's?  I will tell you:  Wii gets a two year old port for Modern Warfare (with no advertising, I might add, but still on track to sell over a million), no GTA's, and no FF (Wii gets a crappy spinoff of FF, Crystal Chronicles).  You point out that only selling 1 million for a COD game is not that great.  Perhaps, but that is still $50 million dollars in revenue that is being ignored and I can't understand why any company would not want that.  All that would be required for MW2 to be released on the Wii would be a downgrade in graphics and take the control set up from WaW or MWR and put them on MW2 for Wii.  Yes, it would cost some money, but I can't believe it would cost that much.  The only reason that MW2 is not on the Wii right now is because of some (actually, I would say most) poeple in the industry hate the Wii.

Off topic point:  I wouldn't consider COD to be the biggest name in gaming (but I get your point, it is a huge series-- now bigger than GTA, FF, etc.).  I believe that Mario takes that crown (and the Wii series has several games that have outsold the COD games), especially considering how NSMBWii looks like it is going to outsell MW2 (I am not saying MW2 is a bad game-- I actually enjoyed it, but I am pointing out how Mario, which released a week later, is looking to outsell 'the biggest game ever'). 

Another quibble:  of course Wii owners will not pay $60 for a new game, Wii owners are use to paying $50 for a new game.  Also, the idea that Wii gamers will not buy games for full price is just wrong.  Nintendo games, which sell the most on the Wii, retail for $50 (Twilight Princess, a launch title, still retails for $50).  If the quality is there, and the game is something they are interested in, Wii gamers will pay full price.  Wii gamers, in general, are still waiting for a third parties to release something worth full price. 

I'm willing to bet that Red Steel 2 and Monster Hunter 3 will be hits when they are released in the West.  Why?  Even though they are 'core' titles, they are well made and are tapping into what Wii gamers want:  arcade like action (assuming they don't put many cut scenes in them).

I agree somewhat that old thinking has to change, but it does not neccessarily involve figuring out 'what woman want' (hell, if I knew that I would never get into another argument with my wife).  People bought the Wii for motion controls (not waggle) and IR controls.  Red Steel 2 looks to fill that promise, and MH3 appears to have that arcade like action.  Women are NOT a new market, women use to play games all the time--I played the original Super Mario Bros. with my mother all the time.  I now play NSMBWii with my mother and sister.  I play Wii Sports with my wife and sister.  My wife and I take turns playing Zelda games.  

We don't know how these good third party titles will sell on the Wii because third parties do not bring these games to the Wii and then they claim that these games won't sell on the Wii because things like rail shooters are not selling.  Please.

@Davey1983
Well, you have a good point. I agree with you (except for Monster Hunter 3, I think this game could sell well on HD consoles too).

Agreed,  thats why i bought a 360 and will buy a Wii,  cause they have games that I want and werent available on the console I had

Actually, I believe you are right about MH3.  That is one reason I am very interested in its sales when it comes out (in the West, it had pretty good sales in Japan).  I believe it will be the first third party exclusive game released on Wii that would have sold well on the HD consoles. 

Because of that I consider MH3 the true test of what games will sell on the Wii.  If it bombs, I might have to concede that I am wrong.  If it does well, then I will feel vindicated and use it as proof that I am right.  For the record, I consider 500,000 in the west (America's + others) to be succesful for this game (and in line with what the PSP games have sold).

I'd advise them to buy Modern Warfare Reflex. It is much better than the Conduit, much, much better.

It might not be an original or exclusive game but it suits Wii owners like me that a) don't want to revert back to pads too frequently and b) only have a Wii.

The issue for me is that Capcom could develop serious 'gamer' type IPs but chooses not to do so.

Just like to add that yes I bought Ghost Squad, HOTD Overkill, RE:UC, Dead Space Extraction and RE:DC and loved them all.

wait House of the Dead Overkill didn't make money? what the hell Sega?!
when the game barelly passed 200k Headstrong Games released a statement that the game made profit and that they want to make a sequel. now it passed 500k and it's still selling.

from what i know Darkside Chronicles is selling very well - right it sells better every week.

This makes a lot of sense. Now that you said that, I am much more interested in the MH3 sales.

yup, but that's too bad, this game deserve more.