Milo and Kate is one of them and based on Microsoft's E3 09 Natal video presentation they also want to bring a lot of family/group experiences to the table.  I don't have to list the games because Microsoft has basically hit people over the head with what they want to accomplish.  I'm surprised some people still don't get it no matter how much it's explained to them.

You might want to update some of your informations:

http://gamer.blorge.com/2009/06/07/exposed-natel-milo-smoke-and-mirrors-by-peter-molyneux/

So in otherwords all these games that will capture the imagination... Aren't even confirmed, don't have a name and we don't even know the genre?

Oh, and just because MS say something doesn't mean it will happen.

Legend11, there is nothing to equate between the Wii 3rd party situation and the PS3's sales. That said, I think Natal is going to be received lukewarm at best. This thing is not just going to fly off shelves.

To me it's blindingly obvious why the situations are similar.  In both cases there are people that choose to ignore key facts and argue based on what amounts to wishful thinking,  It's like the PSP Go, it was obvious why it was going to fail but every time anyone listed those reasons in a sales discussion you had people ignoring them and simply stating it could go either way.  There is a thing called an educated guess, that is what I'm doing, those arguing against me are simply choosing to ignore the facts.

@legend11

Lol there is no real connection based on logic. The situations may be similar but there is no logic how you can compare both its just subjective simillar. But has nothing to do with reality. I made maybe 2-3 predictions and people didnt believed me this predictions where more way more speculative then your prediction with not much 3rd party support for Wii. And I was right but its insane to believe I am always right because I had 2 times right.

I believe, you will be wrong my mystic powers of seeing the future are bigger then yours. I was 2 times right and people doubted me massively and you just once, so its obvious who will be right.


This is the same logic you use to make a connection between cases which have nothing to do with each other, use some facts people will listen to you but this is just speculation. Like your 3rd party prediction or my predicitons.


I hope you are still here in 12 months so you have to admit you were wrong. (Ofcourse I am just speculating like you, like everyone on this site)

Well said, hes basing all his facts on "IF's" and "Maybe's" that doesn't win anyone over unless there actual support, HOWEVER, i do believe NATAL has more going for it then the Wii-Mote or Gem does. simply because you can do amazing things like talking to people that are not real in games...

Basiclly, its all up in the air right now, and it WILL cost alot of money to make, publish, and so on and so forth.

In Conclusion... as of RIGHT NOW, i think we can all agree on Facts > False Bound Facts... meaning Legend is a tad out of line for such "Out There" assumption's that may OR may not come true, this is not the Wii we are talking about, this is the PS3 it's a whole other ball game here.

@legend11

Actually I don't think a lot of current owners really care about Milo or Kate, which is why Natal is going to have problems. Any success Natal has is going to be based on current owners, which is why they need to have a good price and good games at launch. Like I said, the Wii has won the casual market. And they are not going to pay $200 (for an Arcade, if Natal doesn't need the HDD that is) and most likely ~$100 for a camera, just for casual games.

And as far as Wii Sports goes, it wasn't the game that roped people in, but the fact that it used the Wii's new controllers wisely. Well, that and the fact that it came heavily bundled with the Wii. But do you honestly think that without the Wii's control setup, Wii Sports would have been such a hit? Of course not, it would have just been another sports game.

Also, how can the PS3 Wands be a copy off of the Wii-motes when Sony had something very similar in development for the PS2's EyeToy? I will admit, however, that the success of the Wii has inspired them to actually follow through with the Wands. But, the truth still remains that the Wands are just an improvement of an earlier design. And I wouldn't talk about Sony when it comes to rush jobs. That discussion should be held for another company. "Well here it is, BAM!!"

I've been hearing that the ps3 will outsell the ps3 for years and it still hasn't happened. Wake me up when its like 1 to 2 million away not 5 million. Which is still a big lead.

hahah. bad typo!