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ramses01 said:
Lord N said:
ramses01 said:
Lord N said:

As far as Natal goes, when has an add-on that was released in the middle of a generation ever had a serious impact on hardware sales? Power-glove, Eye-Toy, Sega 32X, Sega CD? It's also funny that you berate Sony for "shameless copying" of Xbox Live and then turn right around hail Natal as the second coming of Christ.

 

 


Sigh, how many times must this nonsense be repeated.  NATAL is not an ADDON.  MS considers it a console relaunch.  Also, NATAL isn't copying anything, it is reinventing the UI.

I don't give a damn what Microsoft calls it, it's an add-on. It's the same console with a different control scheme, nothing more, nothing less. Calling it a "console relaunch" is just MS trying to hype it up as something more than it is.

Reinventing the GUI? Please. What are they reinventing here, exactly?

Really, had Nintendo released the Wii-mote for the Gamecube in 2004 and called it a console relaunch, would it have made any kind of a damn difference?

 

 

You do realize that Nintendo did exactly what you state right?

You do realize that you're completely wrong, right?

 

 



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BMaker11 said:

I posted this in another thread regarding Natal, Sony's Wand, and the diminished sales gap between the PS3 and 360:

Wand and NATAL are gonna fail. #1 It's too late to try and implement that kind of stuff into the systems. Either you integrate it to all PS3 and 360 games (thus alienating people who don't want to play with motion controls) or split up how games are developed...and just piss off developers who have to make a regular version and a motion control version

#2 M$ and Sony are doing this only because the Wii is popular. But the people who buy Wiis are not the same people who buy 360s and PS3s. The people who buy Wiis want to play Wii Fit, Wii Music, Game Party, etc..for the most part (as evidenced by not only the sales of casual games, but the sheer amount that are on the Wii). They don't want FPSs and over the top action adventure games. Meaning if Sony and M$ want to capture that audience...well they're going to really piss of the "traditional gamer", which is the typical demographic that buys there systems

With that all being said...people need to stop saying that NATAL may be a game changer. Conversely, people who retort "you forgot about the Wand/GEM"....stop doing that as well. Unless you think people are going to spend $300 on a 360 or PS3, then spend however much it costs to get the damned peripheral.....THEN buy a game. Yea....I don't think the casual market pie that Sony and M$ want a piece will be too accepting of that

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It's exactly like how Lord N said...since when has introducing a new peripheral mid-console life EVER significantly changed the picture for the respective console? As far as "M$ wants this to be a console relaunch"....that would make me believe that all their games would thne focus on Natal....and not everyone wants motion controls. Then what? That would have an adverse affect on 360 sales.

I couldn't agree more.



ramses01 said:
Lord N said:
ramses01 said:
Lord N said:

As far as Natal goes, when has an add-on that was released in the middle of a generation ever had a serious impact on hardware sales? Power-glove, Eye-Toy, Sega 32X, Sega CD? It's also funny that you berate Sony for "shameless copying" of Xbox Live and then turn right around hail Natal as the second coming of Christ.

 

 


Sigh, how many times must this nonsense be repeated.  NATAL is not an ADDON.  MS considers it a console relaunch.  Also, NATAL isn't copying anything, it is reinventing the UI.

I don't give a damn what Microsoft calls it, it's an add-on. It's the same console with a different control scheme, nothing more, nothing less. Calling it a "console relaunch" is just MS trying to hype it up as something more than it is.

Reinventing the GUI? Please. What are they reinventing here, exactly?

Really, had Nintendo released the Wii-mote for the Gamecube in 2004 and called it a console relaunch, would it have made any kind of a damn difference?

 

 

You do realize that Nintendo did exactly what you state right?

Yeah, except that the Wii is a completely different console with more horsepower (despite it still being much weaker than PS3 and 360), DVDs instead of mini discs, flash memory, disc load system, virtual console, wiiware, Wi Fi, web browser, and Wii connect 24.. But no, it's exactly the same...



I think he meant that the 360/PS3 gap is now in the 5 million unit range



Metallicube said:
Ugh, really wish PS3 would just pass 360 already and take its prized position of 2nd place so I can stop hearing about it...

lulz same here



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Jordahn said:
Looks like Legend11 got raped in this thread...

(Goes back to playing Donkey Kong on his DS.)


Funny you should say that because it reminds me of many people calling me a troll and claiming I was "owned" in many threads about Wii third-party support.  See back then there were many Nintendo fanboys claiming that all the big third-party franchises by Western developers would move over to the Wii.  I argued with them and tried to explain why that wasn't going to happen and all I got was insults of being a blind fanboy, claims of being a troll, and even many people calling for me to be banned. 

History has proven me right just like it will in this case.  I'm happy that Playstation fanboys are finally having their moment in the Sun and I hope they enjoy the year of great sales because it helps to make up for the many times the PS3 has failed to deliver in sales.  Just like I took grief with those Wii third-party support threads I'll take it here now.  I don't expect anything but more troll labels and grief and in a year's time when I'm proven right I don't expect anyone to tell me I was right (they didn't with the Wii either).



Legend11 said:
Jordahn said:
Looks like Legend11 got raped in this thread...

(Goes back to playing Donkey Kong on his DS.)


Funny you should say that because it reminds me of many people calling me a troll and claiming I was "owned" in many threads about Wii third-party support.  See back then there were many Nintendo fanboys claiming that all the big third-party franchises by Western developers would move over to the Wii.  I argued with them and tried to explain why that wasn't going to happen and all I got was insults of being a blind fanboy, claims of being a troll, and even many people calling for me to be banned. 

History has proven me right just like it will in this case.  I'm happy that Playstation fanboys are finally having their moment in the Sun and I hope they enjoy the year of great sales because it helps to make up for the many times the PS3 has failed to deliver in sales.  Just like I took grief with those Wii third-party support threads I'll take it here now.  I don't expect anything but more troll labels and grief and in a year's time when I'm proven right I don't expect anyone to tell me I was right (they didn't with the Wii either).


While you may be right about the Wii's support, I do believe you will be wrong about this.  Since when does one game change anything?  It takes a collection of awesome games to win people over.  Besides, everyone knows that Halo is only on 360, but you miss the fact that not everyone cares.  Even out of the ~10 mill who bought Halo 3, I doubt every single one liked it.  Halo Reach will not change anything for 360.  Mostly because if you love Halo, chances are you already have a 360.  So really no HUGE bump in console sales there.

As far as Natal goes, many have already pointed out that even if it is a success, it will be mostly because of current owners buying it.  The market they are aiming for with Natal has already gone to the Wii.  And no one who has a Wii for its casual games are going to drop ~$300-$400 for a new system and camera to play more casual games.  Not only that but if Sony's Wands are a success, again mostly due to current customers buying them, it will have stolen some of the wind out of Natal's sails as it is supposed to launch at a later date.  Not to mention the fact that MS blew out its major hype push for Natal way too early.  It may be able to create some hype right before its release, but nothing like right after E3, with all the news articles and awards being given out.  Again no HUGE bump in consoles.

 



thismeintiel said:
Legend11 said:
Jordahn said:
Looks like Legend11 got raped in this thread...

(Goes back to playing Donkey Kong on his DS.)


Funny you should say that because it reminds me of many people calling me a troll and claiming I was "owned" in many threads about Wii third-party support.  See back then there were many Nintendo fanboys claiming that all the big third-party franchises by Western developers would move over to the Wii.  I argued with them and tried to explain why that wasn't going to happen and all I got was insults of being a blind fanboy, claims of being a troll, and even many people calling for me to be banned. 

History has proven me right just like it will in this case.  I'm happy that Playstation fanboys are finally having their moment in the Sun and I hope they enjoy the year of great sales because it helps to make up for the many times the PS3 has failed to deliver in sales.  Just like I took grief with those Wii third-party support threads I'll take it here now.  I don't expect anything but more troll labels and grief and in a year's time when I'm proven right I don't expect anyone to tell me I was right (they didn't with the Wii either).


While you may be right about the Wii's support, I do believe you will be wrong about this.  Since when does one game change anything?  It takes a collection of awesome games to win people over.  Besides, everyone knows that Halo is only on 360, but you miss the fact that not everyone cares.  Even out of the ~10 mill who bought Halo 3, I doubt every single one liked it.  Halo Reach will not change anything for 360.  Mostly because if you love Halo, chances are you already have a 360.  So really no HUGE bump in console sales there.

As far as Natal goes, many have already pointed out that even if it is a success, it will be mostly because of current owners buying it.  The market they are aiming for with Natal has already gone to the Wii.  And no one who has a Wii for its casual games are going to drop ~$300-$400 for a new system and camera to play more casual games.  Not only that but if Sony's Wands are a success, again mostly due to current customers buying them, it will have stolen some of the wind out of Natal's sails as it is supposed to launch at a later date.  Not to mention the fact that MS blew out its major hype push for Natal way too early.  It may be able to create some hype right before its release, but nothing like right after E3, with all the news articles and awards being given out.  Again no HUGE bump in consoles.

 


I don't get why you think it'll be mainly current buyers purchasing Natal.  Do you think the same people that have bought Halo 3 and/or Modern Warfare 2 are going to be buying a Natal system for games like Milo & Kate?  It was very obvious from their respective E3 showings that Microsoft gets it and Sony doesn't.  Microsoft showed how they planned to go after a much wider audience while Sony instead tried to convince core gamers why they should purchase Sony's motion controller.  If anything it's current owners that will buy Sony's Wand (or people that planned on purchasing a PS3 regardless) while Natal will bring in new people.

And since you're asking how does one game change anything, it's amazing how quickly some people forget because it wasn't that long ago that Wii Sports came onto the scene and captured the imaginations of casuals and core gamers alike.  The entire Natal concept embodies that while Sony has shown absolutely nothing new with their motion controller.  In fact Sony's wand seems like a clone of the Wii Remote with a Sony that still doesn't get the Wii's success.  I mean it's like Sony thinks Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition was a big reason for the Wii's success because otherwise why try to simply go after the core like they did at E3?  Maybe they didn't plan it well but if that's the case and they're launching well before Natal then that says to me that it'll likely be another rush job that will fail.





Legend11 said:
thismeintiel said:
Legend11 said:
Jordahn said:
Looks like Legend11 got raped in this thread...

(Goes back to playing Donkey Kong on his DS.)


Funny you should say that because it reminds me of many people calling me a troll and claiming I was "owned" in many threads about Wii third-party support.  See back then there were many Nintendo fanboys claiming that all the big third-party franchises by Western developers would move over to the Wii.  I argued with them and tried to explain why that wasn't going to happen and all I got was insults of being a blind fanboy, claims of being a troll, and even many people calling for me to be banned. 

History has proven me right just like it will in this case.  I'm happy that Playstation fanboys are finally having their moment in the Sun and I hope they enjoy the year of great sales because it helps to make up for the many times the PS3 has failed to deliver in sales.  Just like I took grief with those Wii third-party support threads I'll take it here now.  I don't expect anything but more troll labels and grief and in a year's time when I'm proven right I don't expect anyone to tell me I was right (they didn't with the Wii either).


While you may be right about the Wii's support, I do believe you will be wrong about this.  Since when does one game change anything?  It takes a collection of awesome games to win people over.  Besides, everyone knows that Halo is only on 360, but you miss the fact that not everyone cares.  Even out of the ~10 mill who bought Halo 3, I doubt every single one liked it.  Halo Reach will not change anything for 360.  Mostly because if you love Halo, chances are you already have a 360.  So really no HUGE bump in console sales there.

As far as Natal goes, many have already pointed out that even if it is a success, it will be mostly because of current owners buying it.  The market they are aiming for with Natal has already gone to the Wii.  And no one who has a Wii for its casual games are going to drop ~$300-$400 for a new system and camera to play more casual games.  Not only that but if Sony's Wands are a success, again mostly due to current customers buying them, it will have stolen some of the wind out of Natal's sails as it is supposed to launch at a later date.  Not to mention the fact that MS blew out its major hype push for Natal way too early.  It may be able to create some hype right before its release, but nothing like right after E3, with all the news articles and awards being given out.  Again no HUGE bump in consoles.

I don't get why you think it'll be mainly current buyers purchasing Natal.  Do you think the same people that have bought Halo 3 and/or Modern Warfare 2 are going to be buying a Natal system for games like Milo & Kate?  It was very obvious from their respective E3 showings that Microsoft gets it and Sony doesn't.  Microsoft showed how they planned to go after a much wider audience while Sony instead tried to convince core gamers why they should purchase Sony's motion controller.  If anything it's current owners that will buy Sony's Wand (or people that planned on purchasing a PS3 regardless) while Natal will bring in new people.

And since you're asking how does one game change anything, it's amazing how quickly some people forget because it wasn't that long ago that Wii Sports came onto the scene and captured the minds of casuals and core gamers alike.  Natal has games that will capture the imaginations of people while Sony has shown absolutely nothing like that.  In fact Sony's wand seems like a clone of the Wii Remote that brings nothing new to the table.  I mean it's like Sony thinks Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition was a big reason for the Wii's success because otherwise why try to simply go after the core like they did at E3?  Maybe they didn't plan it well but if that's the case and they're launching well before Natal then that says to me that it'll likely be another rush job that will fail.

Red - Give me some names of games please, i would like to know about them...



                            

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