I guess you could make threads like that, but they'd be silly threads. No one in his right mind thinks that Nintendo cutting costs on the Wii was a bad idea. Further, it seems that a great many customers appreciate it as well. And while most would agree, I think, that the HD-less 360 models are generally bad for the system, it's hard to believe that it's had that much of an impact.

every system has it's shortcomings. i can think of multiple peeves for each system but i've said it before and i'll say it again:

some people on this forum simply seem to have unsettled business with sony. this goes well beyond disliking their products and choosing not to purchase or support them. i'm not sure what sony did to you guys personally or how you can hate one corporation while loving another and not realizing that they all exist solely to make money off us in any way they can and in every facet of our lives. Every corporation has done some pretty shitty things in the name of profit. To somehow think your favorite brands are infallible while others are anti-consumer or whatever is simply asinine.

Amen brother!!

It's funny to see console fanboys claim that Blu-Ray is needed for HD games. They wouldn't say that it if they knew about the dozens of PC games which have been doing resolutions better than 1080p for years, while being released on CD/DVD.

There is no format war. DVD is going to rule the disc format for at least the next 5 years. Consumers don't want to choose, when there's a risk they choose the losing format. So as long as there's not a single next-gen disc format there won't be mass consumer adaption.

That doesn't mean it couldn't be a good gaming format for the PS3, but Sony loses a lot of money and marketshare due to the discission to push a disc format via their gameconsole.

Next-gen DVDs are already, I think, 5% of the total market, and growing fast. They may hit 10% in certain markets by the end of the holiday season. Next-gen will definitely take over in a couple of years. It's related to the uptake of wide-screen HDTVs - you need the display technology and lots of pixels to showcase what BluRay can do.

You can't read.

Read my post again... Exactly the opposite of what i said... i'm not even going to explain it, just read my post again and i hope you realize why the first part of your post is pointless.

it's funny how you mention the "lengthy fully orchestrated soundtrack" and later you say audio isn't content, contradiction right there.

I just laughed at your Brawl, content... i like Brawl and all but that's plain bullshit, "the game with more content in the 20 years you have been playing" then you must have not played a lot of games in those 20 years. I might be missing something here... i don't know, but looking at the official Brawl site (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html), i don't think i'm missing anything. Please tell me what's that content i'm missing.

With the Folklore comment, you showed me you are just being a blind fanboy... I don't think you own this game, and i don't know why you don't wanna count the second character (cause both characters are important for the storyline), with all the sidequests and collecting every folk, it lasts way more than 10 hours, just stop the bs. I own the game, you can't fool me. Also, if you don't wanna count the second character, then we should say that the classic mode in brawl is actually shorter than Folklore, i mean... you are doing the same thing with the other characters right? Really, like i said, you are a blind fanboy and you see things how you wanna see them.

Your second paragraph is again about length = disc size, so im not gonna bother to reply, again i think you can't read.

Like i said before, the original point was if blu-ray was being used and all you talk about is length. It's getting boring, just move on and realize that it doesnt work like that.

Half the people in this thread have entirely missed the point. The simple fact is that at this point Blu-Ray has not been proven to have any real benefits for gaming. Don't get me wrong, having Blu-Ray in the PS3 may have been fantastic for the FORMAT wars, but it is terrible for Sony's position in the CONSOLE wars.

This is not about disliking Sony, or disliking Blu-Ray, this is about Blu-Ray being an inappropriate choice for the PS3.

And for all of those touting the massive disk space needed for R:FoM, look up the article where it was recently revealed that the devs were so incompetent, they placed the same textures on the disk repeatedely to use them for each specific level. The reason they did this rather than reusing the same copy over and over, is due to the excessive load times that are related to the PS3's small RAM and the slower load times of Blu-Ray. OF course the BIGGEST reason they did this was so that Sony could go "LOOK EVERYONE, 22GIGABYTES, I SWEAR ITS TRUE......"

@starcraft

Just like cd and dvd had no benefits in gaming. YEa sure.. You know what keep playing your 8 hour long games while I play my 15 hours +games in 1080P.