holy shit carlos lets take a look at some things

""""And this is why attach ratios are pretty much Worthless, with the Wii on pace to sell over 150m+ worldwide at the end of its life, even with an Attach ratio of 4.0 it would sell 600m+ of software. The Xbox 360 with its current pace of doing 50m at most WW and an attach ratio of 6.0 would sell only 300m+ software.

You need to sell hardware if you want to sell games. At the latest Nintendo conference, they showed slideshows about how the Wii has sold more clearly more software than the xbox 360 in the same time period, obviously the Wii also sold much more hardware thus they have a lower attach rate. Despite that, the fact still remains: If you have great hardware sales, it is likely that you will have great software sales, despite what attach ratio says."""""


On pace to sell 150 million? After its first year (very soon) it will have sold (ill give you benefit of the doubt) 15 million, now even if wii goes another 6 years, thats 90 million, im still trying to figure out how the wii i just going to sky rocket like that

Those software ratios, how many are 3rd party? 1st party is great and everything (im guessing they included stuff such as wii sports/play.....) but 3rd party is huge

 You obviously don't know that the first year is usually the slowest or one of the slowers for most consoles, as people waits for more games being released and cheaper price points. This is just common sense here

The wii has been breaking most ps2 records everywhere in the world, and the ps2 did around 120m+... the market has growth, so i would say 150m+ (at least) is about right for the Wi.

They just showed all software, i guess they included Wii Sports and Wii play, and rightfully so: We are paying for those games, and we can play those games. Thus, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be included.

Once again, most 3rd party games of the xbox 360 are available on the pc with more features, and even "free" (yes, piracy, which is huge on computers). 

bah stupid vg chartz is KILLING ME

"""But you are ignoring Europe, and it is widely knowed that the xbox don't sell a lot of software there. Just a couple of weeks ago we saw a rumor about most EU contries stopping selling XBOX 360 software because, well, it just doesn't sells. Wii in the other hand is having a lot of quietly success there, with games like Tiger Woods, MySims, Red Steel, Brain training, etc etc etc

Unfortunaly, we don't have Euro software numbers on this site to make better comparisions, however i don't think anyone will argue against the Wii having much better success in europe than the xbox 360.""""

Where the hell is this rumor, besides from sony defense force, if so sony fans would be leading the charge with this rumor, i still dont understand how you got this.



""""While Wii 1st party software has vastly outpaced xbox 360 1st party software. And those 1st party games are exclusive, unlike 360's 3rd party software. You can get the same games with more features AND a cheaper price in the computer, at least for 90% of the games you are talking about.

Madden 08 has been perhaps the most disappointing game sales wise for the Wii, while we have a hell of a lot of games that exceeded expectations. Still, at 200k i'm quite sure than that game returned profits, taking into consideration that the Wii version obviously wasn't EA focus.

Besides, million sellers is another poor way to measure how a console is doing in terms of software success. Sometimes the games you release aren't expected to be million sellers. Even Zack & Wiki is not for the Wii. Is carnival games a million seller ? Is trauma center one ? Is MySims (Wii only) one? No. Are the developers happy with the profits of those games ? Hell yes. Most wii 3rd party games weren't expected to be million sellers, and they are not, however they are doing their job: Making very good profits for their developers.

I don't think developers care that much about having a million seller game as they care about profits. Some games, even at 1million are just breaking even.... sure it looks good to say "wow, my console has 100 million sellers, we are great!" however you must take into consideration that some games are more expensive to develop than others.

In this case the Wii offers the cheapest platform, and the easiest path to reach the bottom line: Make profit.""""

I dont know why you brought 1st party into this

YOur now confirming why they make crap games, because they can make cheap profit, this is proving they will put their best on the 360 and ps3, so they can have a flashy game to show off on how great they are. That and the fact that they sell JUST as well as the sloppy that makes profit, but the good games also get the companys recognized, make profit, and bring in new fans.


"""""That 65m+ prediction sounds good for early 09 for the Wii. """"""

......Have you done the math? At the end of this year/ begining of 08, we all have predicted that that the wii will be at 20 million or so. NOw in one year your telling me the wii will sell 45 MILLION CONSOLES.............. You understand that thats 3 and a half million consoles per month, 750k a week,...........
Your saying every single country will sell 1 million wiis per month?
THat prediction is absolutly rediculas.




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 Dude, could you get Firefox or something?  Please.

 
Where the hell is this rumor, besides from sony defense force, if so sony fans would be leading the charge with this rumor, i still dont understand how you got this.

I agree that is not exactly the most credible rumour around, however it points at the poor software sales of the xbox 360 there... however is not a secret that the xbox is doing poorly in Europe, if you check the software sales you will realize that around 70-80% of the total sales of a typical 360 game is done in America.

Trauma center on Wii sold almost as much as Guitar hero 2 on the xbox 360 

I dont know why you brought 1st party into this

Because they are games, and i like to play all games. I dont care if they are 1st or 3rd party games, i just want good games. If Nintendo is making the best 1st party games in the world, then it has to be viewed as a selling point on the Wii, not as a negative. We got Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Pokemon etc just for 1st party. And those games are selling pretty well, showing that good games or games from big franchises sell as well in the Wii as they would anywhere else.

YOur now confirming why they make crap games, because they can make cheap profit, this is proving they will put their best on the 360 and ps3, so they can have a flashy game to show off on how great they are. That and the fact that they sell JUST as well as the sloppy that makes profit, but the good games also get the companys recognized, make profit, and bring in new fans.

Its pretty easy. If some developer makes a poor, cheap game like Carnival Games and make solid profits from it, then they will happily bring bigger projects to the system. Besides, good games takes long time to develop, and the Wii only has one year in the market... im pretty confident in the quality of games like Tales of Symphonia 2, No more heroes, Oboro Muramasa, King's story, Monster hunter 3, Samba de Amigo, Spore, Pro evolution Soccer 08, among others for 2008. 

We are starting to see signals of this with games like Mario & Sonic at the olympics, Zack & Wiki, Medal of honor heroes 2, DBZ BT 3, Nights 2, RE:UC among others for this christmas on the Wii.

......Have you done the math? At the end of this year/ begining of 08, we all have predicted that that the wii will be at 20 million or so. NOw in one year your telling me the wii will sell 45 MILLION CONSOLES.............. You understand that thats 3 and a half million consoles per month, 750k a week,...........
Your saying every single country will sell 1 million wiis per month?
THat prediction is absolutly rediculas.

First, i think johnlucas would agree with me that i was being conservative.

Second, i said early 09, after the 1st quarter, or around march/april

Finally, i think the Wii will get a price cut next year, and i believe that Wii Fit/Smash Bros/Mario kart all are bigger system sellers than Mario Galaxy itself. Plus with the wii getting much more quality and support in terms of 3rd party sofware i think every gamer will want one, i can see you yourself buying a Wii at least only for Smash bros/mario kart, even if you love your xbox. The wii should be able to do around 10m just in christmas 08. Remember that a current problem for the Wii is Nintendo not being able to produce enough to supply all the demand... that should be fixed in 2008.

55m+ is the least i can see the Wii doing by early 09. 

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Alright, if MS throws in a cheap packman for a dollar for every 360 owner who buys, then they can count those ratios? I mean we are buying and playing them so they should count?

This generation is quite a bit different from ps2 generation, you said the market has been growing well, also the other two "losing" consoles are also going to sell more then their past generation. Also ps2 dominated because it possessed all the games, weve yet to see this happen to the wii, but if it happens your prediction is possible

WHat percentage of computers can actually run these top tier games?

Alright, if MS throws in a cheap packman for a dollar for every 360 owner who buys, then they can count those ratios? I mean we are buying and playing them so they should count?

Why not ? Actually, i wouldn't mind including XBLA/PSN/VC games on attach ratios... Like i said, i think attach ratios are almost worthless. Profits are the only thing that matters on this business, if 100% of console owners bought your game, and still you didn't make a profit, it was a failure.

This generation is quite a bit different from ps2 generation, you said the market has been growing well, also the other two "losing" consoles are also going to sell more then their past generation. Also ps2 dominated because it possessed all the games, weve yet to see this happen to the wii, but if it happens your prediction is possible

Yes, i can see the xbox 360 and ps3 both doing better numbers than the first xbox and game cube. I think both ps3 and 360 will do over 40m worldwide when all is over.. one should sell a little more than the other, i think it will be the ps3 at around 50m with the xbox 360 perhaps at 45m.

By the way... i think it says even more about the Wii that it is doing so great without all the games like you said... next year we are getting much more multiplatform love with 2K sports games, Star wars force unleashed, Rockband, Civilization revolution, Spore, Pro evolution soccer, the rest of EA sports games, etc. =)  

 WHat percentage of computers can actually run these top tier games?

I would guess a lot, since my not so great computer can run almost every game. 

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I dont want to sound like a fanboy, but you guys are insane.