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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - why do people think 360 will come in third?

mitsuhide said:
The X360 has no amazing hardware base outside the US where it is 8.16million units. That number alone shows that the X360 is relieing to much on the NA (this is of course no fault of MS because they have tryed to get the Japanese to buy the X360 but to no avail as of yet). In the PAL regions it has 4.12million which is a good number but after 2 years on the market that is not overly impressive unlike its NA 8.16million counter part which is impressive after 2years on the market. In JPN it hasn't even sold 0.5million in 2years and this is the consoles major downfall, it isnt selling because its is branded with Microsoft on the side and therefore the Japanese instently say no to it because its American BUT if MS got Sega, Toshiba or BandaiNamco to sell the console in JPN on MS behalf then it would sell alot better because it wont be as Americanised and will have better sales. If it had 8.16million in NA, 4.12million in PAL and 4.12million in JPN then it would still be in the lead and be a good successor to the PS2 as market leader but it doesnt have those sales in JPN and wont have those sales in JPN anytime soon.

Second major downfall is the fact that X360's strongest regions are NA and UK the rest of PAL regions have prefered the PS3 (alot of them not all) if it some how got better sales in Spain,France,Italy etc then it could have 8million sold in PAL aswell and still be market leader and have 20million consoles sold by the ned of the year but MS has done something with the Xbox brand and targeted it too much towards English speaking countries and the games on the system have followed with them all being aimed at a 13-21year old male and yes MS have tryed to get the children involved with VivaPinata and kudos to them for trying but to be fair that was a half hearted atempt at tempting the children and parents to chose the X360, why would the parents buy their children VivaPinata and an X360 if thats all the child has to play, they will just buy a Wii because of Mario or PS3 because of Ratchet because they are icons and everyone recognises them the same as everyone recognises MasterChief from Halo but for different reasons and Halo isnt a game for toddlers so MS have to get a mascot like Mario,Ratchet or Sonic and fast otherwise that childrens audience they want will go to where the mascots are.

Eventually these 2 reasons will slow down the X360 and NA will not have anymore people that want the X360 and the sales will quickly dry up, i am NOT going to use the game argument about MGS4 and FFXIII because that is not why it is going to come third. At the moment the X360 might be beating the PS3 but the PS3 sells well in ALL regions and 3 regions beats 1.5 regions any day(the 0.5 being that the UK has over 1million X360's and the other 3million in PAL are scattererd and are not consistent with countries and nor are the sales). The image of the Xbox brand was never really big and the fact that the failure rate was publicly announced it has hurt an image that was never really there to begin with. The Playstation image is MASSIVE everyone knows that and yes the price hurt them but they have fixed that most of it anyway with the $399 40GB and are now getting that to the public with the new ads which are really good and show off the PS3 well. The lack of BC isnt a massive problem if you have a PS2 and isnt really a big problem if you never had a PS2 even though the library is impressive you dont buy a "next-gen" console for the "last-gen" software.

 See, I never understood this PAL argument againt the 360. Yes, it doesn't sell too well outside of US/UK. Change the wording a little though and the same argument with different territories can be made for the PS3. 

In Japan, the 360 is dead. But considering that the PS3 is comatose, it's a relatively small factor (I think it was mentioned that the PS3 outsold the 360 by 44k there in October. That's not even enough to make up half the deficit between the 360 and PS3 in NA for a WEEK).

In NA, the PS3 is getting slaughtered. 100,000 or more a week it is getting outsold by.

In PAL, things are more even. There are countries/regions that prefer the 360, otheres that prefer the PS3. Lately, the PS3 has been on a price drop high, but we've seen where those spikes go after a few weeks with both consoles this year. With something like 6 or 7 price drop or software related bumps this year in PAL between the two, nobody can argue that the PS3 sales there will keep up. Not yet, anyway. But even with the price drop, the PS3 is just outselling the 360. 30,000 is alot for a week, but the two will get close again.

So while there is some truth to the US/UK arguement, the flip side is that the PS3 isn't selling at all in the US, by far the biggest market in the world, and the single market that sweeps away any advantage the PS3 has and then some on any given week. So I don't understand how the PS3 can outsell it in the long run. After all, it only sells in SP/IT region.