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I agree with Matt but more so in the hardware part, the software is fine since it's Nintendo games. But there is no excuse with the shortcut Nintendo took with the Wii, this company is loaded with money and has always been toe to toe with other console, it's a shame they gave us such an underpowered hardware this Gen.
I don't see the problem with the games though, they took a lot chances with Wiifit and other games no one expected to have such epic success, but they really could have spent some money on the hardware side.



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psrock said:
I agree with Matt but more so in the hardware part, the software is fine since it's Nintendo games. But there is no excuse with the shortcut Nintendo took with the Wii, this company is loaded with money and has always been toe to toe with other console, it's a shame they gave us such an underpowered hardware this Gen.
I don't see the problem with the games though, they took a lot chances with Wiifit and other games no one expected to have such epic success, but they really could have spent some money on the hardware side.

You're telling me selling the system at $600-$800 or selling it at a loss, just to keep up this time, is not an excuse?

And get your facts straight. Nintendo is not a corporation. Their loads of capitcal is not on the level of the other first parties. They could afford to lose $3 billion each. Nintendo did not, even if they didn't anticipate the loss to be that high.

Don't tell me there isn't an excuse.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight said:
psrock said:
I agree with Matt but more so in the hardware part, the software is fine since it's Nintendo games. But there is no excuse with the shortcut Nintendo took with the Wii, this company is loaded with money and has always been toe to toe with other console, it's a shame they gave us such an underpowered hardware this Gen.
I don't see the problem with the games though, they took a lot chances with Wiifit and other games no one expected to have such epic success, but they really could have spent some money on the hardware side.

You're telling me selling the system at $600-$800 or selling it at a loss, just to keep up this time, is not an excuse?

And get your facts straight. Nintendo is not a corporation. Their loads of capitcal is not on the level of the other first parties. They could afford to lose $3 billion each. Nintendo did not, even if they didn't anticipate the loss to be that high.

Don't tell me there isn't an excuse.

excuses, you never seem to have enough of it. First, this was my opinion, Unlike you I can actually criticized Sony  for all the wrongs they have done this Gen. But, to somehow question Nintendo, that's a sin. Get over yourself, Nintendo went cheap, the right decision, but they did anyway. The thing can't even play a dvd for crying loud.



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psrock said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
psrock said:
I agree with Matt but more so in the hardware part, the software is fine since it's Nintendo games. But there is no excuse with the shortcut Nintendo took with the Wii, this company is loaded with money and has always been toe to toe with other console, it's a shame they gave us such an underpowered hardware this Gen.
I don't see the problem with the games though, they took a lot chances with Wiifit and other games no one expected to have such epic success, but they really could have spent some money on the hardware side.

You're telling me selling the system at $600-$800 or selling it at a loss, just to keep up this time, is not an excuse?

And get your facts straight. Nintendo is not a corporation. Their loads of capitcal is not on the level of the other first parties. They could afford to lose $3 billion each. Nintendo did not, even if they didn't anticipate the loss to be that high.

Don't tell me there isn't an excuse.

excuses, you never seem to have enough of it. First, this was my opinion, Unlike you I can actually criticized Sony  for all the wrongs they have done this Gen. But, to somehow question Nintendo, that's a sin. Get over yourself, Nintendo went cheap, the right decision, but they did anyway. The thing can't even play a dvd for crying loud.

What part of losing $3 billion don't you understand? If they costs hadn't been so high for goind HD, THEY WOULD HAVE DONE SO.

I'm discussing facts, not opinion. You acting as though your opinion trumps facts is you not getting over yourself. Don't project that on me.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

psrock said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
psrock said:
I agree with Matt but more so in the hardware part, the software is fine since it's Nintendo games. But there is no excuse with the shortcut Nintendo took with the Wii, this company is loaded with money and has always been toe to toe with other console, it's a shame they gave us such an underpowered hardware this Gen.
I don't see the problem with the games though, they took a lot chances with Wiifit and other games no one expected to have such epic success, but they really could have spent some money on the hardware side.

You're telling me selling the system at $600-$800 or selling it at a loss, just to keep up this time, is not an excuse?

And get your facts straight. Nintendo is not a corporation. Their loads of capitcal is not on the level of the other first parties. They could afford to lose $3 billion each. Nintendo did not, even if they didn't anticipate the loss to be that high.

Don't tell me there isn't an excuse.

excuses, you never seem to have enough of it. First, this was my opinion, Unlike you I can actually criticized Sony  for all the wrongs they have done this Gen. But, to somehow question Nintendo, that's a sin. Get over yourself, Nintendo went cheap, the right decision, but they did anyway. The thing can't even play a dvd for crying loud.

I think the main point here is Nintendo cant afford to make a machine like the PS3 and sell it at such a loss. Pretty simple if you ask me.

And as far as DvD playback goes who F'in cares. If the machine is a few bucks cheaper without it im all for that.



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psrock said:
I agree with Matt but more so in the hardware part, the software is fine since it's Nintendo games. But there is no excuse with the shortcut Nintendo took with the Wii, this company is loaded with money and has always been toe to toe with other console, it's a shame they gave us such an underpowered hardware this Gen.
I don't see the problem with the games though, they took a lot chances with Wiifit and other games no one expected to have such epic success, but they really could have spent some money on the hardware side.

Sony and MS can both afford to loss lead and are willing to take a risk for domination in the home entertainment space.  Sony in particular is comfortable with this strategy because it's worked for them twice before and they and everyone else expected them to dominate again this generation.  When you 'know' you are going to dominate loss leading turns from being very risky to a viable strategy for a big company.

Nintendo on the other hand doesn't have an end-game in the videogame market, videogames is all they have so they have to try to make profit as they go which makes a strategy like loss leading a no-win for them.  If they had created a highly expensive console this generation, sold it at a loss and then didn't become the dominant console that would have been very bad news for Nintendo.  Gaming is their only business, they have nothing else to fall back on so if this strategy didn't pay off for them they stand to lose much more.

Now let's say Nintendo pushed a little harder in the hardware department (than they did with the Wii) and created a piece of hardware that broke even from the outset or only incurred minimal loss per sale.  The console would still have been underpowered compared to the competition and what's more it would look like or it would certainly be portrayed as a failure on Nintendo's part to compete with Sony and MS's technical muscle.  The console still would have been marginalised for what?  Perhaps a two fold improvement in performance?  It still would have made 720p a dicey prospect unless the graphics were fairly simple and it still wouldn't necessarily have facilitated cross format development.

So Nintendo went with a relatively low powered console that provided good graphical output for 480p that lowered development costs, obviously took them out of the 'arms race' but allowed developers to take chances with the new controls without the risk of blowing a 20 million dollar budget for a game idea or concept that may or may not have worked with the Wii-mote.

You don't have to agree with the direction they took but it makes alot of sense.  The concept of the Wii as an experiment was all or nothing.  Nintendo made several decisions that went against the grain and if it failed they probably weren't going to be much worse off than last gen but if it succeeded they had the opportunity to do very well.  Changing any of the factors in the equation, such as hardware power, would have served to increase the risk and reduce the potential reward.



Untouch said:
wait people still read IGN?

lol! its ok, Matt QUIT the Nintendo team remember?



NINTENDO

nintendo forever . . .

Besides, homebrew allows DVD playback since, like, forever now, so it's not like it's not powerful enough.



Farmageddon said:
Besides, homebrew allows DVD playback since, like, forever now, so it's not like it's not powerful enough.

for the exception of dual layered DVD's. I remember My Wii wouldn't read Dark Knight because it was DL



NINTENDO

nintendo forever . . .

LordTheNightKnight said:
"How do you knock down the disruptive king?"

Only by dropping the incumbent ways and trying to disrupt yourself.

I'm not even so sure Nintendo has really to disrupt Wii when Wii2 or whatever's time comes. Wii rules all the new part of the market and showed more than once that it keeps old Ninty fans too, so like Wii with GC, Wii2 will offer BC with Wii and will add something new and carefully taylored to please as many as possible old and new users in a long lasting way.



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