This is one of those moments where I can lift my opinion and feel really ashamed, or just shut up and take the easy route. Oh God.

*gulp*

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I found swinging the Wiimote to swing the sword very gimicky and off-putting. The dungeons were too easy, and they did seem to be very much like dungeons in previous Zelda games.

The biggest problem I had with the game was the control. It's amazing to me that I haven't heard anyone say this, but the analog control is imho much worse than in Wind Waker. It feels imprecise. I just don't experience that simply joy of running around and cutting grass.

There's also the embarressing thing that it took me about 4hours to catch a damn fish, but that's just my bad, not the game's.

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Ok, now before you flame me, note that Nintendo is my #1 favourite, and that I bought a Wii before anything else. If you just check through my previous posts then it's blatantly obvious.

All that said, it is STILL an amazing game imo. It's magical and sometimes genius. I was just SO blown away by Wind Waker (played for 3 weeks stright) that I expected the same thing to happen as soon as I put it in and play.

Now, what'll be interesting is whether my fellow Nintendonians will burn me at the stake for this treason, or whether they'll accept my honesty on this matter.

Grass, I find it interesting that your problems re: dungeons seem to be the exact opposite of Kenryoku's. What do you make of this?

The Resident Evil comparison is based on how Twilight Princess seemed to focus on a lot of 'fetch quests' and block puzzles.  And as for another of your points, no, past Zelda games didn't focus on block moving puzzles.  You may have had to move some blocks or even push a block into a hole to get onto a ledge.  But nothing like the block 'puzzles' in Twilight Princess, which essentially were just giant versions of 'sliding' or 'block' puzzles.  Hence my reference to Resident Evil, which have used them multiple times in the past.

The difference is, Resident Evil used those puzzles due to a limited movement interface with the game and it made doing puzzles on the Playstation much easier.  In other words, they wouldn't have been able to control the character well enough to move blocks with the set camera and enemies attacking.  Whereas Zelda games can and it just feels like busy work that breaks the flow of the 'action' game to make you push blocks around and do a sliding block puzzle.  Even the Ice Cavern in Ocarina of Time, when you pushed the blocks to certain points, you could jump from those points to a ledge and weren't forced to completing the puzzle.  No such luck with all the puzzles in Twilight Princess.

Ummm... One of us is lying in a desperate attempt to gain attention due to being harshly mistreated as a young and fragile child!?

No, seriously. I just said they were too easy and it (correct me if I'm wrong) seemed like both of us said they were very similar to previous dungeons.

What exactly do you mean?

BTW Khuutra, your analysis of Zelda games into 3 parts was just fantastic. Maybe I just fall into the 3rd categorie and should get a DS?

I think im gonna start replaying it tonight

I think its pretty obvious what he means.  He's trying to isolate my views to make mine sound 'extreme' and yours sound 'agreeable' to his.  Because yours didn't directly say the same things as mine.

In any event, I think weve gone down this road far enough and Twilight Princess has been argued over countless number of times.

Also, I think the whole division of handheld and console Zeldas are much like the Mario games.  Nintendo is trying to market both to different crowds.  The handheld games to those who like more of a 'classic' Zelda game and the console games to those who like a 'Console' Zelda which is constantly changing and has more of a darker 'adult' Link.  Nintendo even backs this up as they said the original design for Wind Waker was suppose to hark back to the 'old' Zelda titles.  And that's what has become the major design scheme for the handheld titles following.

I always take my time with Zelda games. It makes them that much greater.

Absolutely, I agree completely. I played it through this summer, after Ocarina, Majora's Mask and Wind Waker. All of them were fantastic, but I agree with every point you made about Twilight Princess. Sometimes I think people get too caught up it not doing anything new-regardless of that, it's a masterpiece and a genuine delight to immerse yourself in and play.

Erm, don't know Khuutra well, but he's one of the more respected guys on VGC and I really doubt that he has some devious plan like that.

He seems quite respectful of your view, even though he wholeheartedly disagrees. I actually think many of your points with regards to the dungeons are valid.

One of my top 5 disappointments of this gen. I think it's because of the waggle controls TBH, they felt so completely tacked on and pointless, I just kept thinking "Boy, this could be implemented better!". I sold my copy after about 5 hours of play and just exasperation with the control scheme, and I MAY try to find a gamecube copy and play it with my gamecube controller. I did the same thing with Metroid Prime after muddling around with the Wii controls in Trilogy. The best Zelda game since LttP has been Phantom Hourglass IMO.