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cgkc17 said:
I don't do homebrew and i definitely don't pirate, but i agree with the ruling.

As soon as I go into a store and buy a product, it becomes MY property. It is no longer the property of the retailer nor the manufacturer, so they should have no authority trying to dictate what I can and cannot do with MY DS (as long as its legal).

Instead of wasting money bringing this to court or trying to appeal this ruling, they should spend the money on R&D to make the DS2 and Wii2 unpirateable.

I'm not sure you understand what this case was about. This is about Nintendo trying to stop the distribution of unlicensed flashcarts. It has nothing to do with you and your purchase of your DS. These are cartridges made outside of the knowledge of Nintendo and their partners. Their money spent on R&D to make it "unpirateable" so to say was to control who got to make these cartridges into software. Unfortunately, the source of most of the flashcarts I guarantee is from some country that Nintendo can't influence at all, likely China. So instead, Nintendo tries to head-off the distribution of them in countries they have a better chance in that happen to allow them to be sold, like in France.



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N.Genckel said:
Bravo! Now, forget about trying to stop piracy, because it will never happen. Instead, focus on delivering a product that is actually better than the pirated version.

Outside of a few rare examples where this might work, how do you propose each developer creates a product that is somehow better if it isn't pirated? A pirated game is essentially supposed to be everything the real game is, since it's a copy.



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The one time in like the last almost ten years I have pirated a game was Mother3, because it never got released in Canada and people online translated it. Now I know thats not perfect justification but it's the only way I could play it, with the exception of ordering it online and then buying a flash converter and uploading the patch to make the game english. That would have cost like 100$ for one game.


That being said, piracy is totally wrong. Just look at the PSP and DreamCast you say homebrew helps but with 50-million PSP's how many games sell? Ziltch barely any software sells!

I disagree with homebrew as well. I buy a console for Nintendo's products and third parties games. I don't see companies selling content like Wisdom Tree's old Bible games. I don't see homebrew content on store shelves, who needs the homebrew stuff anyways untill I start seeing homebrew content selling legitly in stores I will be against it.

Nintendo just needs to learn now they need a tougher console to crack down on piracy. Don't use Dual-Layered DVD's and flash cards use your own format and leave room in your console for updates allowing you to counter hardware mods. You don't see much of a problem on PS3 do you?

The answer is tougher hardware that isn't easily cracked. Use an update like Microsoft's recent one, all consoles modded were taken off X-Box Live imagine all modified Wii's no longer having internet access! No more shop channel no more updates to play new games cut them off completely!



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Eh, I'm in support of users being able to use their hardware to the full range of its abilities and not being artificially restricted by the hardware makers. I am against Microsoft locking out Datel memory cards. I am against Microsoft overcharging for harddrives and wireless adapters while locking out alternatives. I am against Nintendo region locking games and refusing to release them in certain regions, and putting out flashcard-blocking updates for the DSi. If Nintendo wants to eliminate any legitimate case for these cards and for Wii homebrew, they should first and foremost eliminate region locking and provide the sort of functionality users are able to get from flashcards and homebrew, piracy notwithstanding.



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ameratsu said:

Eh, I'm in support of users being able to use their hardware to the full range of its abilities and not being artificially restricted by the hardware makers. I am against Microsoft locking out Datel memory cards. I am against Microsoft overcharging for harddrives and wireless adapters while locking out alternatives. I am against Nintendo region locking games and refusing to release them in certain regions, and putting out flashcard-blocking updates for the DSi. If Nintendo wants to eliminate any legitimate case for these cards and for Wii homebrew, they should first and foremost eliminate region locking and provide the sort of functionality users are able to get from flashcards and homebrew, piracy notwithstanding.

this was what i was originally trying to say. >.<



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ameratsu said:

Eh, I'm in support of users being able to use their hardware to the full range of its abilities and not being artificially restricted by the hardware makers. I am against Microsoft locking out Datel memory cards. I am against Microsoft overcharging for harddrives and wireless adapters while locking out alternatives. I am against Nintendo region locking games and refusing to release them in certain regions, and putting out flashcard-blocking updates for the DSi. If Nintendo wants to eliminate any legitimate case for these cards and for Wii homebrew, they should first and foremost eliminate region locking and provide the sort of functionality users are able to get from flashcards and homebrew, piracy notwithstanding.

Are you talking about the DSiWare? All retail games are capable of being played in any region's DS as far as I know. I have a few Japanese and European imports, and they all worked with no trouble whatsoever.



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ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
it seems this judge is backing piracy by his ruling and i think he should get fired for ruling against nintendo with his decision. piracy is very wrong and bad for the industry and this judge is a complete idiot for not grasping this idea.

 

^this.

i thought its a bad joke at first..



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famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:

A) I agree.

B) However this applies for Sony and Microsoft too... If upheld it means licensing fees go bye bye... as does Loss leading platforms.

Which means we'll never see a PS3 again.  Well unless they wanna sell it for the 800-900 it cost at launch + shipping.

 

If this goes worldwide... or even most of europe.  Expect console generations to last... well generations.

Hah, yeah, that's what I thought immediately on reading the OP. It's a shot across the bow of entire business models. Nintendo isn't immune, either, since it would have a profound impact on their relationships with third parties.

Oh yeah.  I was just stating that because how far this judge wanted it to go was really telling.

 



Onyxmeth said:
ameratsu said:

Eh, I'm in support of users being able to use their hardware to the full range of its abilities and not being artificially restricted by the hardware makers. I am against Microsoft locking out Datel memory cards. I am against Microsoft overcharging for harddrives and wireless adapters while locking out alternatives. I am against Nintendo region locking games and refusing to release them in certain regions, and putting out flashcard-blocking updates for the DSi. If Nintendo wants to eliminate any legitimate case for these cards and for Wii homebrew, they should first and foremost eliminate region locking and provide the sort of functionality users are able to get from flashcards and homebrew, piracy notwithstanding.

Are you talking about the DSiWare? All retail games are capable of being played in any region's DS as far as I know. I have a few Japanese and European imports, and they all worked with no trouble whatsoever.

 

And what about out of region Wii games? And when will the ability to stream all your games from one cart (DS) or HDD (Wii) be added?



impur1ty said:
Onyxmeth said:
ameratsu said:

Eh, I'm in support of users being able to use their hardware to the full range of its abilities and not being artificially restricted by the hardware makers. I am against Microsoft locking out Datel memory cards. I am against Microsoft overcharging for harddrives and wireless adapters while locking out alternatives. I am against Nintendo region locking games and refusing to release them in certain regions, and putting out flashcard-blocking updates for the DSi. If Nintendo wants to eliminate any legitimate case for these cards and for Wii homebrew, they should first and foremost eliminate region locking and provide the sort of functionality users are able to get from flashcards and homebrew, piracy notwithstanding.

Are you talking about the DSiWare? All retail games are capable of being played in any region's DS as far as I know. I have a few Japanese and European imports, and they all worked with no trouble whatsoever.

 

And what about Wii games, and the ability to stream games from one cart (DS) or HDD (wii)?

that's a reason i have homebrew channel on my Wii, now there was no need to wait 1 year for Tales of Symphonia and Soul Calibur Legends, i got them from ebay and played them through Gecko OS on homebrew channel

if Nintendo does not want Homebrew on Wii, they have to make Wii region-free through an update or make future Wii's region-free

 

as for the Ds flash karts and HDD for Wii, they are 100% legit as long as you own the games



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