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This thread went downhill fast after I joined. You guys can bitch about the shitty Wii, I don't care. I will go play a real system: The GameCube.



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maykissthebride said:
Kantor said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Out of 20 Wii games I own, only 3 are third party, seriously, third parties need to step up on the Wii

Now, whose fault is that? The third parties' for not making Wii games, or yours for not buying them and supporting their efforts? Because I can sure as hell name more than three quality third party Wii games. Off the top of my head:

-Zack and Wiki

-MadWorld

-No More Heroes

-World at War

-The Conduit

Five, without even thinking.

-Zack and Wiki

Niche. Not as good as reviewrs want you to belive. Latter stages are a horrible exercise of trial and error. Thank god i got rid of that.

 

-MadWorld

I like it. Still have it. But is repetitive and small. Most people hated. Black and white game with over the top violence isnt niche? Madworld is almost a God Hand clone, and God Hand didnt sold anything on the PS2. You cant blame the wii for Madworld. (PS: i love god hand too!)

 

-No More Heroes

LOL! I liked this one too, never bought it. But cmon, theres ANYTHING more niche than that? An otaku in a bizarre and graphically horrible cel-shaded empity city. Oh yeah, there is something more niche than that: Madworld!

 

-World at War

Lame port. Downgraded version. You take the HD graphics and put nothing on its place. Sold more than it deserves.

 

-The Conduit

Still have it. Dissapointing online. Terrible history. Made by an almost indie studio. They didnt even had an publisher, for god sake.

 

Where is the big boy´s money? Where is the effort from big publishers? In World at War? Make me laugh.

Actually Madworld and No More Heroes have a lot in common,but Madworld is really too short!



Kantor said:
jarrod said:
Kantor said:
jarrod said:
Developing HD games is also 'risky'. Just ask Free Radical, GRiN, Sega Racing Studio, Factor 5, Pandemic Studios...

You know what all of those studios had in common? They made crappy games, and paid the price.

Sega Rally Revo was pretty much the opposite of crappy.  And it still bombed so hard Sega closed the developer within six months.

Actually, Sega's one of the few publishers to really have almost nothing but bombs on the HD machines and some ridiculous success on Wii.

The exception to the rule is not the rule.

How does Sega have "nothing but bombs" on the HD consoles, exactly?

As an aside, Sega's most successful Wii game has Mario in it.

Sega million sellers by platform this gen...

DS: 3

Wii: 5

360: 1 (via hardware bundling)

PS3: 0

PSP: 0



@ maykissthebride:

True, very true. I mean, people get all worked up over how a game like Modern Warfare 2 sells amazingly well on the HD consoles and how badly Modern Warfare does on Wii.

Well, guess what, Modern Warfare 2 would have sold like shit too if it had been a 2-year old port that was announced like a month before it came out and received zero hype and no advertising in any form whatsoever.

And this example is about COD, which actually sells pretty decent on Wii.

Come on 3rd parties, but in some effort and money. No wait, scrap that, put in A LOT of effort and money. :p I mean, come on! Come ON!



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Kantor said:
maykissthebride said:
Kantor said:
maykissthebride said:
Kantor said:
But when the Wii does get a "large" third party game, while it does sell very well, it doesn't match the sales of the HD versions.

Can you point an exemple?

An exemple of the wii getting a "large" third party game

Cmon, i wanna hear it.

World at War.

You asked me to name a large third party game on the Wii which sold less than the HD versions, and I did so. You can't complain about "inferior versions" (though I hear the Wiimote is better for FPS than the gamepad, never tried it), because remember, that's part of rule 1.

LOL!


I cant complain about "inferior versions"?


Of course i can!!!!

 

You have a better product and a worse product. Do you want both to sell the same??????

 

Read my first point. A game has to be different to be on Wii. Technical aspects have to be sacrificed, and a new control scheme has to implemented.

And the problems with WaW Wii were to do with the technical aspects, right? The controls worked fine, from what I've heard.

Yes, the controls were fine. Nowdays FPS works pretty well on the wii.


But World at War is a lame game in any system. BUT in the HD systems it has HD graphics, which are the only redeeming point of the game. Which by the way got a lot of people into buying the game, even if they were sick and tired of WWII

 

The game is pretty boring, and on wii it lost its only decent feature. And get nothing in exchange.

 



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Kantor said:
maykissthebride said:
Kantor said:
maykissthebride said:
Kantor said:
But when the Wii does get a "large" third party game, while it does sell very well, it doesn't match the sales of the HD versions.

Can you point an exemple?

An exemple of the wii getting a "large" third party game

Cmon, i wanna hear it.

World at War.

You asked me to name a large third party game on the Wii which sold less than the HD versions, and I did so. You can't complain about "inferior versions" (though I hear the Wiimote is better for FPS than the gamepad, never tried it), because remember, that's part of rule 1.

LOL!


I cant complain about "inferior versions"?


Of course i can!!!!

 

You have a better product and a worse product. Do you want both to sell the same??????

 

Read my first point. A game has to be different to be on Wii. Technical aspects have to be sacrificed, and a new control scheme has to implemented.

And the problems with WaW Wii were to do with the technical aspects, right? The controls worked fine, from what I've heard.

You're right, and to be honnest graphics were rather good at the time I was playing it, of course now if I play it again I would say it's crap due to the others FPS that comes.But yeah the controls were great, the best accuracy,I'm not a big PC player but I could say the accuracy on Wii is at least equal or better than on PC



"But when the Wii does get a "large" third party game, while it does sell very well, it doesn't match the sales of the HD versions."

World At War on the Wii did not follow 4, which made the series the smash hit it is now. The Wii had a two year gap between CoD games. This is relevant because you are implying the Wii audience did this, when there are factors that would have made the game sell less on the other systems had those been duplicated.



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Gintoki said:

Actually Madworld and No More Heroes have a lot in common,but Madworld is really too short!

yeah, i feel both have a lot in common too.

And i like both of em.

But publishers cant expect em to sell buckets of copies, because they are desined for a small public



jarrod said:
Kantor said:
jarrod said:
Kantor said:
jarrod said:
Developing HD games is also 'risky'. Just ask Free Radical, GRiN, Sega Racing Studio, Factor 5, Pandemic Studios...

You know what all of those studios had in common? They made crappy games, and paid the price.

Sega Rally Revo was pretty much the opposite of crappy.  And it still bombed so hard Sega closed the developer within six months.

Actually, Sega's one of the few publishers to really have almost nothing but bombs on the HD machines and some ridiculous success on Wii.

The exception to the rule is not the rule.

How does Sega have "nothing but bombs" on the HD consoles, exactly?

As an aside, Sega's most successful Wii game has Mario in it.

Sega million sellers by platform this gen...

DS: 3

Wii: 5

360: 1 (via hardware bundling)

PS3: 0

PSP: 0

Let's leave the DS out of this. It gets a TON of third party support.

Wii SEGA million sellers:

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games: Well, this has Mario, so that's kind of cheating. Make a 360 game with Master Chief, or a PS3 game with...Crash Bandicoot, and we'll talk.

Sonic and the Secret Rings & Sonic Unleashed: Weren't both considered to be quite lackluster?

Super Monkey Ball and House of the Dead: Valid. Both rather large series, to be sure.

Most of SEGA's games on the HD consoles are niche. They have one Sonic game, and a terrible one at that. The Wii can sell Sonic games, that's for sure.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
"But when the Wii does get a "large" third party game, while it does sell very well, it doesn't match the sales of the HD versions."

World At War on the Wii did not follow 4, which made the series the smash hit it is now. The Wii had a two year gap between CoD games. This is relevant because you are implying the Wii audience did this, when there are factors that would have made the game sell less on the other systems had those been duplicated.

True.

However, MWR followed WaW, and so did MW2, and we know how that ended up.

Not exactly a fair comparison, but you can see what I'm getting at.



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