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Soriku said:
outlawauron said:
Soriku said:
"@soriku KH 356 does not surpass FF VII."

Haven't played 358/2 Days yet, but...it probably does. Anyway, that's not a PSP game. We're talking about original titles or remakes here, not PS1 downloads.

So, you're saying PSN games don't count?


They do, only if they're original. FF7 isn't an original game or a remake so I'm not counting it towards the PSP library.

If i owned a PSP i would buy it on my PSP and then proceed to play it on my PSP.

I would count it.



                            

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most people prefer the DS, the PSP control is its own worst feature, it's not a bold statement to say the DS has a better lineup, most would agree with you. But, the DS had a very quiet year to me, it's best game is also on the PSP.
The PSP''s control has hurt its library a lot, there have been tons of great gamese. btw, the Resistance game is an amazing game.



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Carl2291 said:
Soriku said:
outlawauron said:
Soriku said:
"@soriku KH 356 does not surpass FF VII."

Haven't played 358/2 Days yet, but...it probably does. Anyway, that's not a PSP game. We're talking about original titles or remakes here, not PS1 downloads.

So, you're saying PSN games don't count?


They do, only if they're original. FF7 isn't an original game or a remake so I'm not counting it towards the PSP library.

If i owned a PSP i would buy it on my PSP and then proceed to play it on my PSP.

I would count it.

That makes very little sense at all. Should we start counting Virtual Console games as part of the Wii's specific library? In that case, may I argue the Wii has the best main console lineup of this generation?  Personally, I find this whole comparing lineups to be a really stupid thing to do, but at least be consistent and fair when you are comparing them.



Carl2291 said:
Soriku said:
outlawauron said:
Soriku said:
"@soriku KH 356 does not surpass FF VII."

Haven't played 358/2 Days yet, but...it probably does. Anyway, that's not a PSP game. We're talking about original titles or remakes here, not PS1 downloads.

So, you're saying PSN games don't count?


They do, only if they're original. FF7 isn't an original game or a remake so I'm not counting it towards the PSP library.

If i owned a PSP i would buy it on my PSP and then proceed to play it on my PSP.

I would count it.

Exactly.  There are truckloads of handheld gamers who never played FF7, because they were babies or toddlers at the time, or they just plain weren't into gaming yet..  FF7 was over a decade ago.  Seems wierd, I know.

For all practical purposes, FF7 is a brand new PSP game.  An unbelievable deal at $9.99, too.  The same goes for Suikoden, Wild Arms, Legacy of Kain, you name it.  They DO count.

Seriously, Soriku, do you have any idea how much a copy of FF7 (any version) costs outside of the PSN version for the PS3/PSP?  How about Suikoden, or (I dream this one will come.. I think there's a fair chance, too) Suikoden II?



 

Procrastinato said:

Phantasy Star Portable and MHFU beat the socks off most DS RPGs.  As long as we're in RPG-land, leo-j also forgot to mention Crimson Gem Saga, the Star Ocean remakes, and all the PSOne classic RPGs that hit the PSP this year, like Suikoden, Wild Arms 2, Final Fantasy VII, etc.

I have played them.. and no, they aren't in my profile, because updating my profile with all the games I own would take freaking days, and I have WAY better things to do (I tried the profile updating once... so I know how arduous it is :) ).

This is a silly discussion, but as an adult portable gamer (I don't own a DS, but I play with one all the time... I'm not going to explain why, so don't ask), the PSP destroyed the DS this year, but only if you qualify that statement with "with regards to RPGs".

I think you have to qualify the comparison with "in terms of game variety", or "sheer number of games", or "number of mario games", or "games for young folks or old folks" before you can claim the DS' lineup this year was "better".  The PSP had some amazing games this year... it was stellar.  Still, the DS is undeniably a beast.  Its tough to "beat" another console in every aspect, which is exactly why both the PSP and DS have a market, and will continue to do so.

Right. So a single genre, that a lot of people don't enjoy, is what the PSP destroyed the DS in this year. That doesn't mean the PSP had a better year, because variety is important. It may have met or exceeded the expectations of a few people with narrow tastes, but for those of us that game past a single genre like RPGs, you are basically conceding the defeat of the PSP, yes?

Now that we're finished with that, I'm not even sure if the PSP beat the DS in the one category you claim it does. Most of your examples are of games from year's past. I suppose if you're an RPG gamer that also happened to miss the 5th generation, PSP suits your needs. In that case though, you might as well just make the case that the PSP is stellar at running PS1 emulators and leave it at that.

Regarding original content, this is the PSP's argument:

Dissidia, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2, Half-Minute Hero, Class of Heroes, Mana Khemia: Student Alliance, Crimson Gem Saga, Phantasy Star Portable, Adventures to Go

Here's the DS's argument:

A Witch's Tale, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, FF Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time, Avalon Code, Nostalgia, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorer's of the Sky, Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road, Dragon Quest Wars, Super Robot Taisen OG Saga, Black Sigil, Mega Man Star Force 3, SMT: Devil Survivor, Dokapon Journey, Suikoden Tierkreis, Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume, My World My Way, Master of the Monster Lair, Bleach the 3rd Phantom, Hero's Saga Laevatein Tactics, Blue Dragon Plus

I think the DS makes a strong enough argument for RPGs also. You may prefer the PSP's offerings more, but that doesn't mean the DS hasn't put forth a sufficient effort. I could easily see any RPG gamer enjoying the DS's offerings more.

Personally, the only two genres I think the PSP has ever had and will ever have over the DS are racing and sports games. That's it. It's is consistently better in both categories every year without fail.



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Considering FF7 sold 100k on its release week on PSN. I would say it counts pretty high up as a game available on PSP.



                            

Soriku said:
Procrastinato said:
Carl2291 said:
Soriku said:
outlawauron said:
Soriku said:
"@soriku KH 356 does not surpass FF VII."

Haven't played 358/2 Days yet, but...it probably does. Anyway, that's not a PSP game. We're talking about original titles or remakes here, not PS1 downloads.

So, you're saying PSN games don't count?


They do, only if they're original. FF7 isn't an original game or a remake so I'm not counting it towards the PSP library.

If i owned a PSP i would buy it on my PSP and then proceed to play it on my PSP.

I would count it.

Exactly.  There are truckloads of handheld gamers who never played FF7, because they were babies or toddlers at the time, or they just plain weren't into gaming yet..  FF7 was over a decade ago.  Seems wierd, I know.

For all practical purposes, FF7 is a brand new PSP game.  An unbelievable deal at $9.99, too.  The same goes for Suikoden, Wild Arms, Legacy of Kain, you name it.  They DO count.

Seriously, Soriku, do you have any idea how much a copy of FF7 (any version) costs outside of the PSN version for the PS3/PSP?  How about Suikoden, or (I dream this one will come.. I think there's a fair chance, too) Suikoden II?


Yeah...like $35 on Amazon for FF VII. Not new but whatever.

Here, we'll come to a compromise. If we can count FF VII towards the PSP library, we can also say the Wii is one of the, if not THE best console of all time because it has hundreds of games from 11 different consoles from the VC, then it has all the retail Wii titles, then WiiWare titles, then added GC backwards compatibility.

I don't think the Wii is the best console of all time, but if that's what you want to agree to, go ahead.

You could argue that it has the best software lineup.



                            

While personally I don't care about PSN games on PSP (I care about them on PS3 though), I actually think they should count in a library comparison, mainly because I remember some avid Wii fans saying VC games should count in similar console vs. console threads.



okr said:
While personally I don't care about PSN games on PSP (I care about them on PS3 though), I actually think they should count in a library comparison, mainly because I remember some avid Wii fans saying VC games should count in similar console vs. console threads.

I don't think that is a good reason to count them though. From my experience, the average Wii fanboy wouldn't add VC games independent from the small group that do, Wiiware games on the other hand... I personally wouldn't add VC as part of a collection, nor would I add PSN games that are ports of PS titles. If it was retail game on the other hand, with some more content like Disgaea, Persona, and Chrono trigger then it seems somewhat valid, even still, I wouldn't consider them as good of an addition as a new title. So if they are counted, it shouldn't be something considerably large, and the person who counts it on one platform should be consistent with others.



Could be, but i rather the DS afterall.



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