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Arius Dion on 18 November 2009
RolStoppable said:
This is something I have been thinking of writing as well, but my thread would have been titled "Why the big shift in third party support never happened" or something like that. The reasons I could think of pretty much match what Malstrom wrote, except that I wouldn't have written about the game industry and my post wouldn't have been nearly as long, obviously.

The points I would have made, are:

1. Third parties dislike gaming companies as console manufacturers, because they see them as taking away sales with their first party games. Third parties prefer companies like Sony and Microsoft, because they push console sales more due to marketing and paying for third party games rather than their own games. EA flat out declined to support Sega's Dreamcast, this should be very telling.

2. With Microsoft entering the market, a dream of third parties came true. With two giants fighting each other, it would be assured that none of them would achieve complete dominance. That way third parties would continue to get paid off by both sides. There's absolutely no need for Nintendo anymore.

3. Something really worth thinking about is the PSP. A system with pretty dismal software sales all around continues to get games and arguably bigger ones than the Wii. This fact pretty much obliterates the notion that the Wii doesn't get better support because of lack of third party software sales.

4. The developers/publishers who put the most effort into Wii games are usually those who simply can't afford to make HD games. In interviews with them it's not uncommon that they express that they would rather make a game for the 360 and/or PS3, if they could.

So while in the past one could believe that Nintendo didn't get more third party support for their home consoles simply because it made business sense due to a small installed base, all these logical business reasons don't apply anymore with the Wii. That means there has to be something else that is preventing the Wii from getting the support a market leading console would usually receive.

One last thing about disolitude's first post: "Industry goes where the money is." If that's the case, where are the profits to prove this statement true?

I too had been thinking about this I was even going to do what Republic had done and e-mail Malstrom. Had Wii's competitors had an installed base like Wii would the support be so..weak? Good point about PSP I hadn't even thought of that. But it shows it certainly isn't the installed base it is something deeper. And Wii HD..I mean how ridiculously ludicrous is that idea.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 18 November 2009

Pachter for one, lol, Malstrom brought up a good point, why did Pachter apologize about calling the PSP Go a ripoff, but keeps on trumpeting the Wii HD?



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

SuperAdrianK on 18 November 2009

I just cant wait till Iwata saids wii hd is full of BS and we're not releasing a new console anytime soon




              

dib8rman on 18 November 2009

super, Iwata has said that, he talks about a new platform and where Nintendo is going, which is usual for this point in the system cycle.



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psrock on 18 November 2009

I blame Nintendo.



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Bladeforce on 18 November 2009

Lets face it the Wii is so ahead of it's time. These "game industry companies" are just a tad closed minded and really it shows up in their non originality.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 18 November 2009

@dib8rman

Yeah Nintendo began talking about Wii back in like 2002-2003, but it didn't release until years later, and that was in spite of the GCN being a relative failure, since the Wii's success, it'll probably be even longer before they release a successor



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

pokeclaudel on 18 November 2009
Arius Dion said:
ameratsu said:

Arius Dion said:


 I'm so glad NMH is coming to HD consoles I'm leaning toward it being a GTA:CW situation all over again.

 

So you're excited because an underappreciated game might flop when given another chance to find a new audience? What is wrong with you?


You say underappreciated I say overrated. It did well enough to warrant a sequel so it couldn't have been that underappreciated. But I'm sick of the Wii being used as a scapegoat for why certain titles don't sell. So I guess that is what's wrong with me. CW did well enough on DS now but you probably saw threads claiming how DS can't sell "hardcore titles" and all the other bull shit that follows and it was quite annoying to read such gribble on an otherwise insightful website. We even had ppl believe it should have been released on PSP because it would have sold millions...Now with sucky psp sales it is other excuses as to why it hasn't sold well..but the common idea is that a top down gta just isn't as mainstream as the 3-d ones. SO it wasn't the DS' fault.

So bottomline, you ask what's wrong with me? Nothing. What irks me? devs and publishers blaming an audience for their failings instead of themselves.

I also agree with Arius Dion. I liked NMH and will get NMH 2 but I home NMH:HP fails miserably. Just to show other developers that their games just good not wii's audience arn't "hardcore" enough.



LordTheNightKnight on 18 November 2009
pokeclaudel said:
Arius Dion said:
ameratsu said:

Arius Dion said:


 I'm so glad NMH is coming to HD consoles I'm leaning toward it being a GTA:CW situation all over again.

 

So you're excited because an underappreciated game might flop when given another chance to find a new audience? What is wrong with you?


You say underappreciated I say overrated. It did well enough to warrant a sequel so it couldn't have been that underappreciated. But I'm sick of the Wii being used as a scapegoat for why certain titles don't sell. So I guess that is what's wrong with me. CW did well enough on DS now but you probably saw threads claiming how DS can't sell "hardcore titles" and all the other bull shit that follows and it was quite annoying to read such gribble on an otherwise insightful website. We even had ppl believe it should have been released on PSP because it would have sold millions...Now with sucky psp sales it is other excuses as to why it hasn't sold well..but the common idea is that a top down gta just isn't as mainstream as the 3-d ones. SO it wasn't the DS' fault.

So bottomline, you ask what's wrong with me? Nothing. What irks me? devs and publishers blaming an audience for their failings instead of themselves.

I also agree with Arius Dion. I liked NMH and will get NMH 2 but I home NMH:HP fails miserably. Just to show other developers that their games just good not wii's audience arn't "hardcore" enough.

We already have games like Valkyria Chronicles that make it clear that niche games have niche sales no matter the system. It's likely this game will sell well, but probably not enough to turn a healthy profit for an HD game (it wouldn't have been cheap to port even without the enhancements).

The reason the Wii is getting the niche games is, as others have pointed out, they can afford to make them on the Wii. Madworld woudln't have been a consideration on the other systems, even with a gamepad control scheme.



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Killy_Vorkosigan on 18 November 2009

I totally agree and support Malstrom on this one, as a wii owner I feel a lot of 3rd parties are not giving full support to the Wii. The best example being Capcom , not able to bring RE5 to Wii, says wii can't perform menu, then comes back when another studio mkkes wonder with one of its IP ^^. With the GC, I think we had a lot of ninty games, now, with the Wii, Ninty is pulling a bit back all its biggest IPs to let some space to third parties. However, the latter seems they unable to do anything. Moreover, the first two years shown a total letdown from 3rd parties. Frack lazy devs.